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Toyota Celica, Coupe, Hatchback
#540 of 1543 Hesitation - 2000 Celica GT-S
Aug 18, 2001 (5:51 pm)
I bought the Celica GT-S a week before my 50th birthday which is now a year ago.
I was going to buy a station wagon but my wife said go buy something you can have some fun in - and besides it's cheaper than a girlfriend!
I like the feel and the looks of the car, and I wanted the "legendary" reliability of a Toyota.
Well, it seems all of that legendary stuff has gone to Toyota's heads and they have become arrogant and unresponsive; it will be their downfall.
The car is kind of cheap inside; I've had the moonroof sliders replaced a couple of times only because one of the panels seems to get dirty on it's front edge.
But my serious gripe - and this has to do as much with safety as with expectations - is the fact that until the temp. gauge moves to first notch there is a noticeable hesitation. It feels like it's about to stall. It can really be unnerving pulling out from an intersection.
Toyota says that "this is within normal parameters"
You can imagine what I say!
I've never had a vehicle that didn't respond when cold - the computer's supposed to take care of these things - right????
I would think a change in the computer codes would fix the problem; but what does Toyota say about it?
They're working on it.
I hope they find the problem soon - I now have 2 of the 3 years warranty left!
Anyone else having similar problems?
#541 of 1543 I have not noticed that problem with my GT-S
Aug 19, 2001 (11:32 am)
I have not had any hesitation problems in my GT-S when the engine is cold; However, you are not the first person I have heard mention it.
#542 of 1543 It's amazing that.....
Aug 19, 2001 (2:37 pm)
You can almost tell which model of celica a person drives just by their posted messages. All the GT owners think that their cars are nice and the GT'S is noth much better. All the GT'S owners are constantly trying to prove why their car is better. I think it's funny because I know someone who bought a 40 year old mustang for the same price as a new celica. In my mind, that would be a complete waste for me, but for the person who bought it, it is their dream car. To tell you the truth, the reason why I bought a GT'S was because I wanted leather, and you can't get that on a GT (I bought mine used, and you can't find a used GT with leather, or a new GT for that matter).
Everyone has their own preferance. I myself know that there are at least 10 different reasons why the gts is better than the gt, regardless of if it is auto or manual. But rather than look down on someone next to me in a GT, I give a thumbs up, because any new celica is a nice celica!!!!
#543 of 1543 Agree with the other guy...
Aug 19, 2001 (4:27 pm)
who says that any Celica is a nice one.
I had to order my 2001 GT from the factory, all because I didn't want a spoiler! And they also don't come through with ABS, at least around here. So I ordered it just like I wanted it, waited 4 months (!), but it was worth it now.
As they say, that's why there's chocolate and vanilla....
#544 of 1543 GTS hesitation
Aug 20, 2001 (6:10 am)
I believe there is some sort of limiter at about 7000 rpm's whenever the engine is cold. Is this what you are referring to? It's almost like the engine shuts off. I've hit it a couple times pulling out on the highway for work in the morning.
As for any other signs of a hesitation, I haven't experienced any. Just the normal higher revs of a cold engine as with any vehicle.
#545 of 1543 recent maintenance
Aug 20, 2001 (6:51 pm)
Today went to dealer. Was getting brake pulsation. Looks like they cut all 4 rotors. Don't know 'cause they were backed up so bad they offered to mail the paperwork, fine. Kind of a bummer when they only have 3000 miles. But if it happens again, I'll ask them to put 4 new rotors on.
Also ordered new shocks for hatch. Below 30 degrees F it falls on my head as I put my guitar in back. It is warm now, but they said the shocks feel weak, so they'll put new ones on.
Aug 22, 2001 (9:28 pm)
40 year old mustang? a GT500? now that is a dream car.
" The GTS has variable lift, lower profile wheels, a larger bore and shorter stroke, 40 more horses...the answers are too complicated to guess, we need a race! "
So you are telling me that a 200hp truck will out run a celica GT-S? I think not. Weight to power ratio, gear ratios, and automatic/manual plays an important part on the overall car performance. Hp is one part of the formula, not everything.
Auto GT-S has "FOUR" gears, close gear ratio is VERY important on high rev cars like acura Rsx, Integra and s2000.. especially Celica. Think about it, you are engaging the 2nd cam very close to the redline. The only way to STAY within the redline is to have close gear ratios, since auto GT-S only have "FOUR" gears, everytime you shift you drop out of the power band. The gears on the auto GT-s are too long to extract the best performance out of that engine. Btw, you do know that manual GT-S have 6 gears right.. there are 6 gears for a reason.
Torque converter on a auto transmission doesn't help either. Like I said before, go to newcelica.org and people will tell you the same thing. GT-S or GT owners alike.
By the way, I don't own a celica. I was going to buy a 6spd manual but toyota decided to stop production on the 6spd for this year. I was going to buy a auto celica but found out that it can be slower then the GT manual. I can race you in my wrx if you want... hehe.
Aug 23, 2001 (12:24 am)
I don't need a race to know the GT 5-speed is quicker than my GTS-auto (about .8 sec). I drove a GT 5-speed and own the GTS-auto. I'm sure the GTS is faster, but the GT got to 60 mph more quickly. It all becomes a mute point when you consider that these are not sports cars, rather sporty economy cars. I base that on a personal opinion that a sports car doesn't take more than 9 sec to get to 60. The 6-speed GTS is marginal assuming auto mag tests of 7.0 - 7.5 sec to 60 mph are accurate.
If I had it to do over, I'd have gone to the GT, but I'm happy with the car - just wish I didn't have to pay for premium gas for mediocre performance. As a comparison - my wife's 4-cyl Solara is as quick as my Celica GTS. Solara's a nice car, but no sports car.
Aug 23, 2001 (4:59 am)
JK111, my point was merely the same as yours, that there are too many differences to know which is faster, GTS auto or GT manual. That's the point I was making in listing those differences.
Yes, I know the GTS has 6-gears as that is the car that I have. I also think that the gearbox is more to offer a unique package, rather than performance. Yes, it can be helpful in an all-out drag race. However, ALL THE TIME, like cruising through the park at 35-45, I find there is no perfect gear to be in. The lower gear will drag too much, and the higher gear won't have enough torque. And I believe Acura is copying Toyota for the uniqueness factor only. I used to push my Integra 5-speed to the limit all the time. Comparing the 2, I say with the proper footwork, there would be very little difference in performance from 5 to 6 gears. And like I said, road course driveability suffers with the 6.
That being said, I still love the 6-speed. I appreciate the uniqueness factor in drive-feel. Every new thing I drive teaches me new things. This is like buying a new computer, or router. I get to play a lot with it, and figure out new things.
"I'm sure the GTS is faster, but the GT got to 60 mph more quickly"=====What do you mean by this marktest?
You make a good point about sports economy cars.
#549 of 1543 6 speed manual
Aug 23, 2001 (6:35 am)
I agreee, the 6 speed gearbox has a lot to do with a marketing ploy. But as far as not being able to select the right gear to go down the street in??? I don't understand that. Owning one myself, I don't get what you're saying. Pick a gear and drive.
The extra gear makes downshifting power increase (more options) and helps out with gas mileage I think. Of course, the 91+ octane does get old!