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Toyota Celica, Coupe, Hatchback
#1158 of 1560 1991 GT-S
Oct 15, 2004 (5:43 pm)
i've got a quick question? i'm looking into buying a '91 GT-S w/auto trans and roughly 194k. recently when i went to look the car, upon start up it ran kinda rough. i'm not sure if it would need a tune up or new engine. no smoke from the rear, so i'm assuming the engine is fine, just needing some work. the car is a Goodwill donation that they are selling for like 1200.xx. having never owned a toyota product (only nissan and honda) i'm not sure of what to look for on a celica w/this amt of miles. any help/information would be greatly appreciated!!
#1159 of 1560 RE:1991 GT-S
Oct 19, 2004 (7:22 am)
At 194K miles the car could need quite a few things. The first thing that comes to mind is a valve job. That would cause rough running at idle. There are reasons people donate cars instead of trading/selling them. I highly recommend a compression test be done before you buy.
#1160 of 1560 Winter Tire Package
Oct 19, 2004 (7:40 am)
I got some 6.5" OEM size steel rims from Tirerack, with slightly off-size 195/60QR-15 Blizzak tires. They said speed differential will be less than 1%.
There are 2 tires in 16", but this car is downright dangerous in winter, so I got what I thought would be the best tire, which only came in 15". Got a cheap torque wrench, and they said to maintain the OEM torque spec, since it is determined for stretching the shafts, and nothing to do with wheel type. They mount and balance this set, so I'll just bolt them on myself.
Although these tires wear quick, I should have done this previously. All the summer tires I've had on this car just slide across a snowy road. Ugh!
#1161 of 1560 Re: 1991 GT-S [cor]
Oct 22, 2004 (6:58 am)
Run from this car,run like the wind!No one donates a decent sporty car to charity that isn't a money pit.Your $1200 car could easily run twice that amount in repairs.Buy with your head,not your heart!
Oct 22, 2004 (8:30 am)
donated his '86 GT-S to charity a couple of years back. It was still a daily driver but required MAJOR attention - needed $3000 in repairs if it needed a dime. Axles, P/S pump and hoses, about a hundred seals and gaskets, struts and brakes. The factory paint was shot on all the horizontal surfaces. If it weren't for the fact that the body was straight (no accidents) and the interior was in good shape, the car would have been totally worthless. As it was, it still wasn't worth the $3K in repairs, but it only had about 150K in miles, so if you picked it up for a few hundred at the auctions and could do most of the work yourself, it would make a decent project car.
Oct 26, 2004 (9:07 pm)
My 91 GT has 185,500 on it. I expect to see 200,000 on it sometime in late spring.
I haven't driven a new tC, but I have seen several. Rear seat room looks nice, but at a cost to the hatchback area. I have heard that the blind spot is awful (but so is my car).
It's amazing that Toyota is going to kill the Celica, but you can have a Corolla XRS with the same engine. Remember the Geo Prism GSI sharing the same engine with the Corolla GT-S and MR-2?
I still think that Toyota is making a serious mistake killing off the Celica. This goes for the name and the image. After 2005, just think there is always a 2 door Echo in the Toyota lineup (unless the Scion xA takes over its market share). It looks like the Solara will win the new 2-door sales race (among Toyota).
Oct 27, 2004 (9:14 am)
cruisers like the Solara are a very profitable niche for a small handful of car companies (mainly Toyota and Chrysler), so its future is assured for some time.
The Echo is going to be dead just as soon as Toyota can manage it. It never sold well, completely missed its intended target audience, and faced way too much competition in the subcompact segment that was all better-equipped at lower prices.
When Celica was first introduced decades ago, it was a bare bones coupe with decently sporty handling and engine for a low price. It was in a class of one. Nowadays, everybody and their mother makes their inexpensive cars well-appointed, and the sport coupe segment is well developed with many worthy entrants. And Toyota has developed into a highly regarded carmaker that can routinely charge a 10% premium on its car's stickers.
So, you have Celica trying to compete today with a 10% higher sticker in a flooded segment with well-appointed cars. I mean, almost $18K base price with wind-down windows? I happen to like wind-down windows but I know I am in a tiny minority on that one!
What is sad to me, since I happen to think Celica is a great nameplate, is that Toyota could pop out a tC, which is super-well appointed with a high-moderate power rating for its segment, for $16,5, but couldn't revise the Celica to be more competitive. What they should have done is increase power by 15-20% in the Celica, and load it up with features considered standard nowadays to carmakers like Hyundai and Ford (!!), and then keep the price the same.
But I am sure they felt they needed a sport coupe for the Scion brand, and probably didn't want to (a) call the next Celica a Scion; it has always been a Toyota, and (b) didn't want to have two models competing directly for what is a small market niche.
Interestingly, they may face this same dilemma when it comes time to revise the Matrix. Will they call the 2nd gen a Scion? That is what it should have been, but it predated the Scion debut by a year. Will they cancel the Matrix entirely and give Scion a new sport crossover? Or will they continue the Matrix as a Toyota?
Too bad marketing decisions limit our choices for great small sporty cars.
#1165 of 1560 Trade-in the GTS for a GTO
Nov 26, 2004 (6:41 pm)
I am thinking of trading my 2000 GTS 6 speed for a 2004 GTO 6 SP. I tested it and the torque is awesome and the handling isnt bad but it is no match for the GTS. Totally different cars and each has its ggod and bad points. The GTO sits up a little higher and does feel more solid and has a bigger backseat.
Anybody dump their Celica and regret it?
#1166 of 1560 I dumped my celica
Nov 28, 2004 (10:24 pm)
and DIDN'T regret it, if that helps. But I went to a similar car, not the opposite end of the spectrum, like the GTO. If I were looking at a car like that, I think I would save about $5K or more and get the new Mustang GT - similar acceleration to the '04 Goat (before they went to 400 hp for '05) I am sure, and probably better handling due to being smaller. Also less depreciation.
But they are having a really hard time sellling GTOs, so maybe you can get one for a steal.
#1167 of 1560 Re: I dumped my celica [nippononly]
Nov 29, 2004 (7:37 pm)
What car did you get? The dealers are hung with 6SP GTO's and now they are almost 1 year old and really should be discounted more. Today I got a quote for $24,700 including the $3500 GMAC rebate.
Problem is my GTS will probably get $10K-12K on trade. I am having a hard time doing it - even if it was straight up price wise I would still having second thoughts. My 2000 is mint and looks new.