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Volkswagen Golf, Hatchback
#1496 of 1529 Re: Considering purchase of 2011 Golf 2.5 
Jan 17, 2011 (12:13 pm)
I'd not expect significantly better mpg, maybe 1-2 mpg better, based on EPA ratings and CR tests for the 2004 TSX and the 2010/2011 Golf.
#1497 of 1529 Re: Golf TDI ordered [puffin1]
Jan 21, 2011 (2:37 pm)
I Live 20 miles south of Paris. Office is in Paris center
#1498 of 1529 Re: Sorry I can't read German [puffin1]
Jan 21, 2011 (2:50 pm)
>How can a VW polo with a 1.4 liter compete with the fiesta, or any other 1.6 liter ?
I would rather see the 105HP 1.2 TSI compete with non turbocharged 1.6 engines. Thanks to this little wonder, the Polo can go around 9.5 sec 0-62mph with the DSG. I think the Honda Fit, the Fiesta and the Yaris will need above 10sec for the same run.
And VW announce good fuel mileage figures.
#1499 of 1529 Re: Considering purchase of 2011 Golf 2.5 
Jan 21, 2011 (3:05 pm)
I could not comment much on the 2.5 engine, but I would recommand the 2.0 TFSI which gets much better mileage and low-end torque.
While smooth-running, the 2.5 is not known for good fuel efficiency. It has been dropped from the catalog in many European countries (in France at least)
Regarding reliablility, VW gas engines are pretty much without trouble. Our company had several Passats and we have yet to see issues with electronics.
VW reputation for reliability is average here. Looking at Autobild articles is pretty interesting as they test a lot of vehicules in the long-term over 62.000 miles. Regretfully only in German.
#1500 of 1529 Delivery scheduled next week
Jan 28, 2011 (2:10 pm)
Just got a call from the dealership. Our purchase will be delivered next week. We will make the T/T as soon as we get the invoice. Actually, this will be the right last day of the promised schedule.
I added rubber floor mats and cargo bay mat for an extra $90 and reminded them to remove any kind of logo and stickers.
Here is a rendering of the chosen color
I realize this is the very first time I ordered such an expensive car and that I never test drove any such model, nor was I passenger in any beforehand. Basically, I chose upon brand reputation, specs sheet data and car magazine test reports. Hope I made a sensible choice.
#1501 of 1529 Re: Delivery scheduled next week [vchiu]
Jan 28, 2011 (2:16 pm)
It's a great looking ride. But why did you not test drive? Sometimes the simplest of things can be a deal breaker. Like realizing that when you have your winter boots on, there isn't proper room for your feet. Or there is a whistle or road noise higher than you want, or that the headlights don't shine far enough up the road on low beam. Stuff like that, which often doesn't come out in reporting.
#1502 of 1529 Re: Delivery scheduled next week [gimmestdtranny]
Jan 28, 2011 (3:29 pm)
>But why did you not test drive?
Well, I always do it for used cars, naturally. But for this, it was not possible to quickly find a model with this combination of motor and transmission. Moreover, I won't be the only one driving it. As we had a good driving experience with the Passat, I speculated it wouldn't be much worse with the Golf.
You are right with the details that may not show up in a test report, but I wouldn't be able to test at night time and couldn't go very far/quick in traffic jammed Paris. Getting a good picture of the car would have been difficult anyhow.
My purchasing experience wasn't great all in all. Sales rep was either busy with other customers or on the phone and had little education on services that surround the car (and maybe the car itself). We did some talk through email and my threats to cancel the order if deadlines were not met were just enough to avoid moss gathering on the stone. In short I wanted to reduce interaction with sales rep to the strict necessary.
Dealer was near company office and we couldn't afford to go any far when servicing the car.
I plan to subscribe to a warranty extension to 6 years. This has to be done with third party companies as VW extension goes to max 5 years and 100K miles (160K Km) . Kia offers 7 year /150K km warranty on its new models.
I feel VW and many European brands are too complacent and don't seriously encompass where the real competition is going from
#1503 of 1529 Just took delivery of the car
Feb 02, 2011 (12:45 pm)
I took delivery of the car this morning, drove the car back to office, then to home tonight.
At first sight, I wasn't much impressed. After all, other makes (Renault, Opel, Peugeot, Ford, even Fiat..) improved their interior styling and material quality to the point of being pretty competitive with VW.
However, after fiddling with the buttons, starting to use basic functions, things look pretty well sorted out. Openings open in a damped and silent fashion, devices look like well screwed together.
The dash, while remaining very conventional (or we could say bland) is pretty functional.
I paired my mobile phone through Bluetooth without a sweat, which is not so bad as it is my first time using bluetooth on a phone and on a car.
The NAV system looks like nice and well integrated, but I didn't use it yet.
On the road back home, the car is riding in a mich firmer manner than my previous soft sprung Citroen C3. Road noise is well kept in check, while the engine roar is very muted. It wouldn't be easy form me to guess I was driving a diesel.
The DSG changes speeds in a very seamless fashion. If I don't look at RPM or gear number, I just can't feel which gear I am driving. The feeling is pretty close to that of a CVT (I had a Honda fit with CVT before)
the box basically keeps engine RPM between 1200 and 1600 RPM, when driving smoothly. It is like just going above tickover.
All this induce me into thinking I am going slowly, which is not the case.
As I don't feel the speed, much less than my previous car, it is very easy to go over the speed limits without noticing.
On my short trip with 1/3rd downtown, 1/3rd urban highways, 1/3rd 2-lane roads, the computer displayed an average fuel consumption of 4.8 L/100KM (49 mpg) which is allegedly lower than my previous (smaller, lighter and 35HP less powerful) C3. I will keep a careful monitor on the fuel mileages.
My first stop for Fueling. Filled 47 liters (12.4 USGal) for a total price of Eur 65 (about USD90) , yes, that is nearly $2 a liter...
#1504 of 1529 Re: Just took delivery of the car [vchiu]
Feb 02, 2011 (1:48 pm)
Interesting review. It's a looker for sure. VW does do muting of NVH on their diesels (and gas jobs FTM) well. I am not a fan of all the red dash lighting, especially when the symbols are as small as they are in VW. This is something that a young person with young eyes won't understand until they age. I would like to be able to turn the light intensity down on most of those without affecting speedo/tach. I also don't know why they don't offer a light colour choice as it is so easy with LED. And it wouldn't cost them but pennies per car if that.
My confidence in damped openings starts after they are about 4 or 5 years old and when it is -30 out. Still though, is encouraging when they start out nice and fluid and strong.
I empathize with your pain at the pumps. In Canada, though we are not near $2/litre yet. But we did have $1.40 in places 2 years ago during a lot of storm activity/damage. Today with the higher oil prices of late we are $1.15+ gas. Diesel, add 10 to 15 cents.
Your mileage isn't that bad given it is brand new and tight. What size is it over there? We get the 2.0 here now. Up from the 1.9 earlier TDI's. Seems to me they went 2 litre when they went "green or clean diesels" when they started with the urea routine. Do they do that there? In gas jobs they offer the old iron block 8 valve 2.0 and the 2.5 five cylinder and 2.0 turbo in some trims or models. I am not totally up to speed with the 2011 Golf and Jetta lineup here.
#1505 of 1529 Re: Just took delivery of the car [gimmestdtranny]
Feb 03, 2011 (2:36 pm)
> This is something that a young person with young eyes won't understand until they age
I am happy to be still considered young , as I did not much get annoyed by the red color. For some reason, I even found the red somewhat soothing to the eye.
I agree though switching colors would be nice to fit all tastes.
>My confidence in damped openings starts after they are about 4 or 5 years old
Of course, time will tell.
>Today with the higher oil prices of late we are $1.15+ gas. Diesel, add 10 to 15 cents.
Oil barrel is only about $100 a barrel. There is no reason prices would not reach the levels of summer 2008 and even above, as I firmly believe this is a durable trend. The crisis just interrupted this trend, but not anymore imho.
I expect a liter to raise up to Eur 2. China car market is still a double digit increase, and Russia/Brazil/India are doing strong
>What size is it over there?
I guess you are talking about engine size, right ? this is the recent 1.6 Liter TDI. while much more silent than the 1.9 and despite having the same torque and HP on paper, this engine is not considered as powerful as the old one.
If you were thinking about tire size, ours are 205X16R55. More than enough for this
The version I have is called Bluemotion. It comes with automatic start stop and a few rolling friction reduction measures to increase fuel mileage (by about 10% on paper). CO2 emissions are 109g/km on the European -and unrealistic- benchmark.
Start/stop is working quite well in fact. When engine is hot enough (and some other criteria are met) , it just switches off 2 seconds after I depress the brake pedal. I restarts as soon as I release the pedal. the process seems pretty straightforward and the slight delay is acceptable when the traffic lights turns green .
There is very litte shake, although i feel the whole process more than I hear it.
I am not sure about the urea. I think it may come with new emission standards in 2014