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Volkswagen Golf, Hatchback
#1476 of 1529 Re: Golf TDI ordered [jeffyscott]
Nov 29, 2010 (6:26 pm)
"FWIW, edmunds has nearly the same maintenance and repair cost for the diesel and gas models of the golf."
I can't find this info, please send link.
I find it hard to believe actually. For one thing it is hard to compare a gas to a dsl engine in that way. As one example, a fuel injection pump costs way more than a carb or a set of injectors or a throttle body. I know for an absolute fact that it costs way more to rebuild a dsl than a gas.
But even routine maintenance ,I find that hard to believe.
#1477 of 1529 Re: Golf TDI ordered [gimmestdtranny]
Nov 30, 2010 (6:57 am)
Go through the "true cost to own" thing: http://www.edmunds.com/apps/cto/intro.do
and when you get the cost for a particular car you can click on "view details" to see the costs for maintenance and repair.
This ends up showing 5 year, 75K mi total of $3148 maintenance and $930 repair for gas and $2749 and $1230 for the diesel... so both end up at about $4000 total for R&M.
(those specific figures are for 4 door automatic, they vary a bit for other versions but still right around $4000)
#1478 of 1529 Re: Golf TDI ordered [jeffyscott]
Nov 30, 2010 (8:25 am)
oh, but that is only at 75k miles. I'd much rather see the end result at about 300+ thous miles. Then you would see that some of the ones that slipped on maintenance, the dsl can really cost you. It can eat into fuel savings pretty bad. The point I was trying to make, was, if you neglect a gas and a dsl, the dsl will cost a lot more to rebuild.
thanks for link, I will check it out.
edit - that link isn't working, says page not found, might be a temporary glitch
#1479 of 1529 Re: Golf TDI ordered [gimmestdtranny]
Nov 30, 2010 (8:30 am)
Link works for me, but you can also get there from "tips and advice" on the menu line.
#1480 of 1529 Re: Golf TDI ordered [jeffyscott]
Dec 04, 2010 (12:47 pm)
found it - thanks
#1481 of 1529 2011 Golf 5 dr Wagon TDI CarCostCanada Dealer Invoice Prices
Dec 07, 2010 (12:43 pm)
Please post your CarCostCanada Dealer Invoice (wholesale) Prices for the Golf 5 dr Wagon TDI.
Please only post purchases made in Canada and in Cdn dollars.
Or post the price you paid if you don't know Dealer Cost.
- state whether Comfortline or Highline and DSG or 6 sp manual trans.
- options, if any
- Province and City
For comparisons sake, this is Manufacturers Suggested List on:
2011 Golf 5 dr Wagon TDI
Comfortline 6 MT MSRP is 26875.
+ 100. A/C excise tax
+ other taxes
If there appear to be few results, then feel free to post pricing on gas engine also, but make sure you specify the engine.
Trying to find out just what kind of discount can be had on the TDI.
In Cda, for 2011, the TDI is only available in the Golf 5 dr wagon.
#1482 of 1529 Re: Golf TDI ordered [gimmestdtranny]
Jan 01, 2011 (5:26 am)
I agree with your statement.
Diesel cars are considered more expensive to maintain. Unlike earlier diesel which had no turbo nor high pressure injection, modern ones are much more "sensitive".
For instance, they are much less tolerant to bad quality diesel. Filling-up in a supermarket (10% cheaper than in branded gas station in France) is not advised for a modern diesel, according to my dealer.
On the contrary, a gas engine is relatively simple and not that demanding.
As Diesel is about %15 cheaper than gas in this country and that this car is intended for 140K Miles, the extra investment over gas will be recoupped in the long term.
We subscribed for an all-inclusive warranty and repair over a 6 -year period. Maintenance costs will be therefore set without surprise. With a regular maintenance and good quality oil, there is no reason this car could not reach 200K miles without major issue.
On a side note, delivery of the car has been delayed to the beginning of february. This makes a delivery lead time of more than 3 months
#1483 of 1529 Re: Golf TDI ordered [vchiu]
Jan 01, 2011 (8:43 am)
There are a few differences between France and North America. First, the fuel in the US and Canada is all pretty good; but it is important to buy from busy stations that get frequent deliveries. So avoid the lazy neighborhood stations that might only sell a thousand gallons a month, so only get one delivery. The busy stations tend to be the ones with the lowest prices, and they may get deliveries every day or even several.
Increasingly, more gas-engine cars will have turbos and higher-pressure fuel injection for better fuel economy and performance. So maintenance and repair costs will equalize, if indeed gas engines were more expensive. Diesels are not more complicated, the main complexity is with pollution control devices.
In the US diesel has been about 10% more expensive at the pumps, but the cost per mile for TDIs is still much less. Golf TDIs come with more features and equipment as standard equipment compared to the gassers, but if you could equalize the equipment then the TDI engine itself adds about $2000. This higher value increases over time; the resale value of TDIs holds up better than comparable gas-engine models.
Lastly, TDIs make more sense if you drive more miles. If you only drive 10k-15k miles a year, then no matter what you drive it won't consume that much fuel. But if you drive 20k-50k miles a year, then a TDI can be the best investment you every make.
#1484 of 1529 Re: Golf TDI ordered [vchiu]
Jan 01, 2011 (8:55 am)
Wow, long wait..I feel bad for you. Once u decide what u plan to buy, the wait can be grueling, especially if your present car is ailing.
I suspect we will eventually see more diesel choices in NA. For example, why we can't have the Polo here is beyond me. They are on the hybrid, and full battery kick. But no one seems to care that their efficiency goes down the farther north you live, and plummets in freezing climates.
Like i always tell anyone who asks me what to buy if both engines are available, and they drive many miles or pull heavy loads often...if gasoline was a superior fuel with superior advantages, then railroad engines, heavy trucks and even city buses would all still use gas.
#1485 of 1529 Re: Golf TDI ordered [gimmestdtranny]
Jan 02, 2011 (12:09 pm)
>Wow, long wait..
The previous passat ordered as new took about 6 month to come. It seems a majority of German cars sold in Europe are ordered this way. I think this is because of the wealth of options.
If one is not demanding in terms of colors or options, then one can buy an available car from the lot. But the options set we required (auto tranny + leather) is seldomly available on this class of car. Therefore, we need to place order.
> why we can't have the Polo here is beyond me
Actually, the top of the line Polo cost in Europe about 25K Euros, that easily exceeds 30K USD. Margins are tighter on small cars and the Euro is expensive, so there is no business case for US market to import Germany made Polos.
Basically, the Polo is a small Golf, so I assume tooling costs are close for both models. I speculate that duplicating the tooling in order to manufacture it in Mexico may not be considered as profitable.
I also think a reasonably priced Polo could make a hit in the US market with the latest TSI motors (I think TDI motors would be too expensive). One good option would be to build it in the future VW US plant. I don't see it coming soon, as I already have doubts about the profitability of the Honda Fit, the toyota Yaris or the Mazda 2 in this side of the pond.