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Volkswagen Golf, Hatchback
#1071 of 1529 Re: bought one! [justin]
Dec 06, 2004 (1:25 pm)
I have a 2000 Golf GLS 4-dr. with the all weather package, etc. I have had nothing but problems with this car since day one. I had a 2000 Jetta GL and traded it for the Golf. Both of them have had the same problems. Only have 70k miles on my Golf and have had it for a year and 9 mos. Have spent over $1000 (that's with an extended warranty) on fixing stupid things. Driver's seat airbag has been replaced 3x, passenger side airbag 1x, both driver's side and passenger side window harnesses and pulleys replaced, new catalytic converter, new muffler, various electrical problems, problems with anti-theft system, check engine light, new vacuum hoses, O2 sensor and the list goes on.
I have learned the hard way about VW. I have been told by VW salesmen that VW's have ALWAYS had electrical problems, and they are overpriced for what they are worth. I sure hope that you don't have the same problems I do. Now that I'm trying to trade my car in, they won't even give me 1/4 of what I paid for it because of my long drawn out service reports. And I definitely take care of my cars, always have.
#1072 of 1529 Re: VW Relability and Maintenance Costs [midnightcowboy]
Dec 06, 2004 (1:27 pm)
I would NEVER buy a VW over a Honda or Toyota. I learned the hard way...DON'T DO IT!! It's such a waste of money, you'll have nothing but problems.
#1073 of 1529 In my experience
Dec 06, 2004 (6:23 pm)
I have owned many VWs and even a Honda or 2.
The ONLY total engine failure I have eve envountered (guts came out side of engine) was on a Toyota.
Asian vehicles RUST RUST RUST...to me, that is not very reliable, I have ALWAYS selected a VW over a Honda every time because VWs have superiour rust protection from the factory.
I have concencesly decided that I would rather fix an occasional electrical problem rather than do bodywork to fix the RUST on Asian vehicles.
VWs use FAR higher quality components than the competition in the same pricerange. I choose QUALITY over the other choices any day.
(BTW: Do not confuse QUALITY and RELIABILITY... they are very different aspects.)
I do not see my vehicles as an "appliance" thus I do not rate them like a toaster or dishwasher. If it does not handle and resist rust for at least 12 years, I am not interested.
A true waste of money is getting yourself into a vehicle that you do not really like for years and years. Life is too short, choose what you like, not what we tell you to choose. (be yourself)
Dec 07, 2004 (1:06 am)
Your single anecdote of evidence is balanced by my family's unrusty '91 Toyota Tercel, '92 Toyota Corolla, '92 Nissan Sentra, and '85 Subaru wagon. The Sentra is a pretty low quality car. No reliability issues, but it isn't fun to drive either. The Corolla's great on reliability and quality, but it puts me to sleep. The Tercel is well put together except for the engine; I think it's fun, too. The Subaru... let's just call it "rugged" (no rust though). We used to have Volkswagons but they were late '70s - early '80s models. Probably not fair to compare them (was your rusty Honda from that era?).
Your experience with the Golf is probably typical. Just keep in mind there are many drivers - an uncommonly many - that have "frequent" electrical problems rather than your "occasional" ones. The chances of getting a car like that scares people off, including myself.
You're right about quality, though you do pay for it. VW has that down, and it's a selling point that none of its direct competitors boasts.
As for fun... tuners, racers, and reviewers have all called the Mk IV Golf soft and heavy, and not fun. I'll have to give one a test drive though, because VW owners always claim otherwise. But they're the only ones.
#1075 of 1529 gotta love the peeling door handles....
Dec 07, 2004 (8:08 am)
Quality....the overmolded plastics are nice, but damn....it does have the tendency to peel off. The Golf 4-doors tend to have mis-aligned doors (they leak water), and faulty rubber on the window seal (both front ones are cracked apart)...it's a bit more tempermental than my previous Toyotas...but it's (especially the TDI) fun to drive. The tiny radio knobs broke off (common occurence on the double dins). The armrest latch broke (another common occurrence)...at least the car is screwed together better than my cousin's SLK320 (it seems like Mercedes used bubble gum to put the interior together, since something was always wrong with the interior)
Electrical problems....had to pull fuse #42 twice to fix the Premium VI glitch and the CD player went (good excuse to buy a better radio), and the hatch lock switch has its mood swings.
Rust...this past winter, sand blasted by rocks, there are some rust formed in the chips at the base of the windshield. I've seen my fair share of rusty VW's, but it's hard to compare a 2 year old car to a 10+ years old car.
I've had a K&N filter for the past 90,000 miles...my MAF sensor is still alive and kicking.
Though my bearings are toast...but not the front brakes. The rears...were too soft, that they coated the rear wheels with brake dust. ATE pads were too soft, so came TRW pads from the factory, which my car came with...47,000 miles replaced the pads (they still had decent life left...the new compound that lasted longer but still dusted like crazy) with Mintex.
With all the little problems, I'd still buy another VW, only as long as it's a TDI
#1076 of 1529 Should I buy a 2000 Golf GLS
Dec 07, 2004 (11:53 am)
Hey I know you all have heard this a lot but my question is a little different. I am in the market for a new car and had been looking at Civic's and Protege and then I found a really gorgeous 2000 Golf 4dr GLS. Its Automatic and has 74k miles on it. The dealer is asking roughly 8k for it which from what I can see is not a bad deal though If I decide on it I will try to talk him down. So heres my question. Does anyone still have their 2000 Golf? Most of what I have read or am able to find are people who have only put roughly 45k miles on them. Im curious as to how long it will last 150k? 200K? Also im absolutely terrified by everything I have read. -- Windows falling in, Check engine light frequently coming on, dead O2 sensor, Electrical problems galore. I guess my big question is once these items are fixed to they keep breaking or is it over and done with. If thats the case I would assume this car had gone through much of the "rough" break in and then be pretty good. Or do they just get worse with age. If you have any good information please respond. My car was just totalled and I need to purchase a vehicle soon. I dont want to buy this Golf and regret it.
If it were any other car I would have probably written it off already but its soo gorgeous and so much fun to drive that I cant stop thinking about it. Please let me know what you guys think.
Dec 07, 2004 (12:18 pm)
there is a revised window regulator. If it has not been replaced, demand it to be replaced at no cost (since there is an extension on the warranty for that part).
#1078 of 1529 Re: Should I buy a 2000 Golf GLS [ruki]
Dec 07, 2004 (6:08 pm)
My daughter has the same year Golf. Do not forget that the 2.0L engine of that vintage is known to use a litte oil.
This, in itself, is not a problem...BUT if one does not carry oil with them and top it off BEFORE the pressure light comes on... there may be issues. Like any other engine without oil it will destroy itself.
If you keep oil in it, that engine will last at least 150K miles. Do not forget that it is based on the Diesel engin block.
ALso MAKE SURE you get both keyfobs. They are over $100 each to replace.
Whats that about O2 sensor? I have never heard anything specific about VW and O2 sensors. O2 sensors typacally last about 60K miles on ANY vehicle.
Perhaps you are thinking MAF sensor (MassAirFlow)
ALso, for ALL VWs DO NOT FORGET TO CLEAN THE SNOWSCREEN ANUALLY!!
#1079 of 1529 Re: Should I buy a 2000 Golf GLS [bpeebles]
Dec 08, 2004 (12:57 pm)
hey bpeepbles how many miles does your daughters Golf have on it. And whats the Snowscreen?
#1080 of 1529 Re: Should I buy a 2000 Golf GLS [ruki]
Dec 08, 2004 (7:50 pm)
She bought her 2001 golf about 1 year ago with 40K miles. I immediately pulled out the snowscreen and it was totally plugged with bugs and stuff.
The so-called "snowscreen" is actually a fine-mesh screen in the intake plenum behind the drivers-side headlight. The following how-to video helps explain how to get at it.
I do not clean the snowscreen the way the video shows. The snowscreen is plastic (almost like pantihose) and easilly damaged by scraping. What I do is remove the snowscreen from the end of the tube and use the garden-hose sprayer to backflush the snowscreen with water-spray. I do this to ALL the VWs in the family annually.
A plugged snowscreen will cause loss of MPG and increased oil-consumpton due to excessive vaccuum on the PCV system.