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Aug 08, 2000 (3:48 pm)
Fair enough. That's how I see it too. I just wasn't sure about the 'local trend'!
It's just that whenever the 1.8t is discussed, 3 out of 4 mention all the engine mods they want to buy. At the end of the day, it's not just a matter of buying a USD 500 chip... I suppose if you really want to get race performance from a 1.8t, you'd have to rake out at least 3000 USD and strip the car of excess weight (I am just guessing - have never contemplated doing it myself). Personnally, I'm more of a 'buy and forget' kind'a driver. The day I want to have a 'kick-ass' car, I suppose I'd go buy one of 'em vettes, or Porsches or whatever. But of course, functionality WILL be an issue!
Aug 08, 2000 (8:19 pm)
Here in the states the camaro is a long lived car. It sure does have a big engine (350cu.in. to a 302cu.in.) for the size the ammount of hp is very same for the displacement. You also have to realize power to weight ratios, gas milage, handling and so on. A cast iron block v-8 is heavy and a pushrod valve train is old Technology. A castiron v-8 up in the front of the vehicle is not always a good thing. Look at all the messages posted about the handling differences of the bigger heavier VR6 compared to the lighter 1.8t. A small light car can handle a corner alot better then a front heavy vehicle with a high curb weight.
I used to have a 1971 Pontiac T-37 muscle car and it sucked down gas and had no handling abilities AT ALL (very fun though). I got my first GTI 16V a couple months ago and loved it to death. Sold that car and now I am getting the 1.8t GTI because of the handling abilities. I got into the thought process a long time ago that bigger is not better and gas is freakn expensive......
Aug 08, 2000 (9:12 pm)
MPG on a Z28 are 19-city and 28-highway. Also the car can pull .86 on the skidpad. Not bad for either of those. The thing that most people don't realize is that it is harder to drive a Z28 fast then it is to drive a GTI/GSR fast. A FWD car is much more forgiving.
Aug 08, 2000 (9:13 pm)
But what if you DO want to race in your time off? Isn't a Z28 a much better (i.e. faster) car?
Aug 08, 2000 (9:30 pm)
I can't believe you asked that question. What's a Camaro have to do with a higher technological machine like a GSR? Not much. The Camaro is gas guzzler straight line performance (with ok handling, really, they 're not that bad and they can be modded too, some kick butt at autocross with some suspension work) questionable reliability car. The GSR is much better on gas mileage, handles decent and is much more reliable with a huge difference in resale value than the Camaro. There are other reasons too for me. My commute is 160mi/day! I average 29-30mpg with the GSR. I think the Camaro would average around 15mpg. I used to have V8 hotrods from the early 70's back in the 80's when I was a teenager and up until I was about 22. Then the imports really got my attention with their DOHC, 4valves/cyl. and their handling. In 1986 I drove my friend's brand new Prelude Si and that was it. I was hooked on imports (primarily Honda). The Prelude really impressed me with its refinement, high revving engine and incredible handling for 1986 standards. Took it out again (2nd time it had 1500 mi.) on the highway and opened it up to about 115mph and it was extremely stable. Lane changes and manouvering at high speeds was so easy that I was convinced imports were better cars than the big 'ol American V8s I was driving (new ones too - parents' cars, friend's parent's cars - most of them V8s). Of course the Prelude was Honda's leading sports car at the time, but it blew my friend's Transam away as far as stability, handling and breaking, and other friends were complaining about squeaks and rattles in the their Camaro IROC-Zs and how they 're at the dealer all the time with mechanical failures and other warranty items. Early '90 my friend's Prelude Si had 86k mi. and he had ZERO failures and visits to the dealer. I was impressed and by that time Honda was already the leader in reliability and resale value. He sold the car w/86k mi.(mint cond. of course) for $8900 4yrs later. He had paid $14K for it almost 4yrs before. The car only depreciated $1275/yr and he had more miles on it than average. I knew then I was going to buy a Honda soon.. the rest is history.
The mods we do is because they do make the car a little faster and they 're not that expensive. If we want really good performance we can supercharge or turbocharge and blow away all stock Camaros, GTs and even Vettes! So why pay $40K+ for a Vette when for $5-6K you can blow it away with your $20K or under car? Now if you want to spend around $10-12K you can have a race car with 11sec. 1/4 mi. times. For a Vette to hit 10-11sec. (stock it's 13.xx) you have to get the twin turbo kit which is over $20K!! Most Integras with around $6K can be turbocharged and do some headwork (fuel pump, pulleys, fuel controller,etc. external stuff) to put down 300+ hp at the wheels. That's enough for them to go the 1/4 in 13sec. flat. Spend twice that much and you have a race car putting down 450-500whp doing the 1/4 in 11sec. or less.
That's why people mod their little 4cyl. cars. For most it's a project or hobby to keep them busy and they can be faster than most V8s with less money spent. I do it for the handling mostly. I don't have but 1 bolt on engine mod but that one alone gave me an extra 13hp and it was noticeable immediately. I can go on and on why we mod our cars but this post is already too long and I think I made my point
PS. Killed a 323 yesterday. Felt really good. Persistent fellow though. He didn't give up until he was doing about 125mph, but by that time I was about 5-6 car lengths ahead and pulling away (slowly but was pulling away nevertheless)
#86 of 90 carlady
Aug 23, 2000 (7:09 pm)
So, how 'bout them Golfs?
Aug 23, 2000 (8:07 pm)
Thanks for your full and interesting reply.
I was just curious - and you made some really good points. Again, thanks.
Oct 06, 2000 (2:39 pm)
I am looking to buy a new car and was considering the Jetta--however, I belong to a car club and would want to take my car to High Speed Driver Education events on some racetracks in the area. It seems that a 2001 GTI w/ the 1.8T, standard "sport suspension" and 17" wheel option would be cheaper by 1K than a comparable Jetta (which offers for 2001 a sport lux package w/ sport sus. and 17" wheels--and a sunroof!) Does the GTI just plain handle better than a Jetta? I am planning on balloon-loaning the car, so I was also wondering about value later down the line.
#89 of 90 GTI sport suspension
Jan 10, 2001 (3:24 pm)
I bought a GI 1.8t last year with a sport suspension and there is a noticeable difference,It has bigger sway bars as well. The 1.8t is the best engine on the planet for under 20k.
If I bought now I would opt for the 17 inch wheels and better tires. check to see if the car was built in Germany!!!
#90 of 90 golf gti crappy tires
Jan 13, 2001 (3:33 am)
I bought 2001 GTI GLS with 17" mags I paid 400usd (600can)for the kit ,that is cheap for PILOT SPORT tire in 225/45/17, so futre owners of golf gti, buy the kit it worth every penny
I didnt bought the sport suspension cause i could not try one, and I dont trust the dealer (I trust a good combo of neuspeed sport springs and bilstein shocks)
My english is bad (I am french)