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#21 of 30 The Spectra is alright But ...
Jul 29, 2000 (3:49 am)
Sure the Spectra is a nice looking car,but I will always be upset that Kia never brought the Pride (Fesiva) or Avella (Aspire) to the USA.I buy only very small, high fuel efficient cars.. I still consider the Spectra to be a tad too big and thirsty. With Chevrolet discontinuing the Metro and Suzuki the Swift. We are left with Toyota's new (but excellent) Echo, Hyundia's Accent and the "yeechy" little gas hog the Lanos.
#22 of 30 speaking of gas hogs
Aug 03, 2000 (5:25 am)
The Sephia and Spectra aren't that good either. Any car that gets better mileage with automatic transmission needs the final drive ratio changed. Automatic in the Sephia is 22/31, manual 23/29. Why?
Even the new Kia Rio sedan gets 27/32 with manual transmission. The automatic Lanos, Metro, Accent, and Echo all get better mileage than the stickshift Rio, let alone the Sephia or Spectra.
I had an automatic 1995 Metro for a while and it consistently got 30 city 34 highway just like the ratings, all the way until 112K!
Even my 1994 Cavalier automatic gets better mileage than the Kias. They seriously need to make their final drive ratios taller. I mean, 4.39:1 in a front drive stick shift with fifth as the only overdrive? Metro sticks have 3.61:1 I think, and heavy as they are with federal regulations they still get over 40mpg these days. Automatics have a 3.79:1 ratio, but only three gears, and no lockup, like the old 60's American cars, and they do better, too!
For my $8399, I'll buy a new Metro!
#23 of 30 I agree
Aug 03, 2000 (6:05 am)
An ECONOMY car of today should get 40+ mpg on highway !!!
#24 of 30 Agree with you about Liz
Aug 04, 2000 (9:04 pm)
Her review was so pre-conceived as an anti-Kia piece that she has no journalistic credibility. Want more proof? Check out the New for 2001 section that has a link on the opening page, and read her comments about the Toyota Echo. Edmunds does itself a disservice when it allows personal biases (how is her comment about the "lame Echo" related to a factual overview of upcoming model year changes?) to intrude upon onjective journalism.
#25 of 30 I AGREE ALSO
Aug 05, 2000 (12:22 am)
But if they were tops in their class they woldn't write for Edmunds !! They said (Edmunds) that a bicycle moves faster than a Ford Aspire, I drive my Aspire 75mph !
HOW DARE THEY INSULT TOYOTA !!!! mind you that they make the most reliable cars in the world.
ASHES TO ASHES,DUST TO DUST. IF IT WEREN'T FOR GM,FORD and CHRYSLER MY TOOLS WOULD RUST !!!
#26 of 30 OOPS !!!
Aug 05, 2000 (12:24 am)
thats WOULDN'T even the spell checker missed it.
Aug 05, 2000 (12:37 am)
Who is the moron that insulted Toyota ?
#28 of 30 Car & Driver Review
Aug 08, 2000 (2:39 am)
Check out page 136 of September 2000 issue of Car and Driver for their review of Kia Spectra GSX. Too bad it was an automatic without ABS. Went 0-60 mph in "a leisurely 11.9 seconds" and a 19.0 second 1/4 mile. As for braking without ABS, hope you have good life insurance: "You couldn't wish for much more. Except, maybe, the optional Kelsey-Hayes-designed anti-lock brakes--an $800 option that would certainly improve OUR EMBARRASSING 70-TO-0 MPH BRAKING DISTANCE OF 236 FEET." (emphasis added) Their observed fuel economy was a miserable "17 mpg".
Looks like Kia might need to send this one back to drawing board. Takes almost a football field to stop, takes forever to get up to speed, and gets about the mileage of a Cadillac. At only $15,279 (without ABS but with pwr mirrors, CD, rear wiper-washer, and the Cruise Pkg), not sure I'd call it a bargain or a winner.
#29 of 30 BEAWARE of Kia
Oct 25, 2000 (1:52 am)
These cars are very poorly made! The tires they come with are the worst on the market! Brakes last less than 10,000 miles. And...parts cost a fortune
#30 of 30 Reasonable price?
Nov 14, 2000 (11:47 pm)
I just purchased a 2001 Kia Spectra GS Hatchback/Sedan. Would like to check in with others who have made recent purchases.
Bought it at the dealership where my brother-in-law works as a mechanic because they said they would give me the same deal they would give any other member of his family.
It's an automatic, with AC, Molding and Floor Mats. Paid $13,000 less a $500 Kia Rebate, so final price was $12,500.
Edmunds.com says invoice on that car would be $12,347 w/o incentives (which would make it $11,847 with the rebate.)
MSRP is listed at $13,275. Edmunds suggests a reasonable price of $12,640--or $12,140 with the rebate.
Now my sister thinks I should have been given a better deal, (her computer was broken and we were unable to get on line to do some checking on the price.)
The salesman said they were only going to make a total profit of $775 at $13,275, and he came down to $13,000 (less rebate)after a conference with the manager (the who who said he would treat me like family). We took their word it was a reasonable price.
I'm not looking to buy a car and not allow a reasonable profit for the dealership. BUT, what do you think?
Should they have been willing to come down to $12,640 less the rebate if they were truly going to "treat me as family", which I interpret as giving the best deal possible while still making a reasonable profit?
What is the price range others have paid for the 2001 Kia Spectra?