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Volkswagen GTI, Coupe, Hatchback
#998 of 1617 vws are fun[ny] cars
Oct 11, 2005 (11:18 am)
It's intertesting to read back a bit and see how the views vary. I have friends w ho love vw (as I do) and others who hate hate hate it, and some people here do.
One guy a few pages back pretty much said it straight: if you take care of your car, it can last forever.
Most people don't because it's not worth it to them, but cars live in this world of physics chaos just like we do, but they don't have an immune system to heal themselves with, so they require some care and feeding.
I've heard you should let ANY engine cool down at idle after highway speed to let it cool off, for example. How many people really do that?
I agree VW's had it's share of stupid problems. I had the window lifters break on my 1999.5 GTI VR6, I had the MAF problem, the rear windshield wiper doesn't work quite right, the light switch in the passenger mirror doesn't go off always, the right side support arm on the glove box just snapped (I've seen the indentical problem in other mk4's) the gas gauge spazzes out and reads empty half the time, and of course the seat lift handle popped off on the passenger side. I have had more than my fair share of really stupid problems with this car. But I change the oil and filter every 3000 miles and I have yet to have any real mechanical problem with it. Yeah, I onyl have 68,000 on it (I have 3 cars and a bike so it takes a while to build up any real mileage) but to compare, my subaru wrx, has had a shock leak, the abs break (how do you break ABS?) and a few other stupid things. (warped rotors, things like that)
I take care of my cars, but I drive them hard, and they keep working well. I will say that if you can get a VW manufactured in germany, you're better off than one built in mexico. But they're still fine cars if taken care of.
Oct 11, 2005 (12:10 pm)
But they're still fine cars if taken care of.
That's hilarious asfter you list a binch of problems with the car.
My Jetta 1.8T was a nightmare for engine/mechanical/interior problems. It had nothing to do with the owner and everything to do with poor engineering.
Similarily my 330i has experienced the same problems - poor electricals, sensors going out, engine software causing problems, etc.
Flipside, my last two Japanese cars were flawless. It's the inability of BMW/VW AG engineering that may well drive me into an IS250/350.
#1000 of 1617 2005 GTI Prices
Oct 12, 2005 (8:53 am)
Hello. I have been searcing frantically for a place in these forums where people have posted "prices paid and buying experinece" for a 2005 GTI. I was looking into buying a new 2005 gti 5-speed hoping to get a big discount now that 2006s will be out in the spring. Could anyone please direct me where to look because the last message for the GTI's " Prices paid" forum was in 2004!
Thanks a lot.
#1001 of 1617 Re: 2005 GTI Prices [nmrt]
Oct 12, 2005 (9:44 am)
You could try searching this discussion - there is a box on the left just above the first post and just below the last one on this page that will help you.
Oct 13, 2005 (9:24 am)
A lot of people tell me I should do stand up because I'm such a funny guy. I'm glad you think so too.
The doors on my gti make a nice solid click when they shut. THey don't sag. or sit funny. The sunroof has never leaked, I've never had any rainwater in the car anywhere. After putting a really stiff suspension on the car and driving it hard, the A/C still works great after 6 years. I've had to replace, I think one bulb in the entire car, with 67K on it I'm still only at half wear on the original front brakes, the rears show no sign of wear, the abs works fine (whereas my wrx's broke) The seats show no sign of wear after getting in and out and leaning hard on them for 6 years.
I could go on. I can complain about things that went wrong, and I can rave about things that work well. It's still a fine car.
And it has one thing that no japanese car has that I've ever driven: It's german, and it's fun to drive.
I'll gladly take a broken GTI that can be fixed over a perfect toyota or honda. I can't explain it, and Iknow people who understand what I mean, and I know people who don't understand what I mean, but there's something different about the way the germans make their cars, that is far more enjoyable to have than 'it's problem free.'
I also have a 1984 porsche 911. Same thing. The car is just amazingly fun to drive. I will admit I've never driven an nsx or anything like that, but nothing has ever come close to being as much fun as my 911.
#1003 of 1617 It's a personality thing
Oct 16, 2005 (12:10 am)
Let me first say, VW/Audi should improve their reliability, and they have been and are doing it. However, theses days, simply improving reliability gets you nowhere, because hardly anyone compares the reliability of a '06 car to that of a '03 car. Most buyers look at the stats of two different manufacturers in the same year. So, the progress VW/Audi have made over the past 5 years or so is drowned out by the continuing improvements of the top reliability performers. Do I car? No. Do many people care? Yes.
For some people, going to the dealer to have something fixed (perhaps during regular maintenance) 2 times a year versus 1.5 times a year is a huge deal. To others, it is the same deal for both cars - especially if they are compensated otherwise (nice interior that looks the same after 15 years, good handling, great low-end torque, driving fun, ...etc.).
If you think that 2 is much worse than 1.5 - you are simply not VW/Audi material at this point. If you think they are about the same, and are open to explore other features of cars rather than that particular, singular measurement, you qualify as a potential VW/Audi buyer.
Another secret of VWs is that they usually age gracefully. That is, if you tend to keep your car, and take care of it (for example, use the synthetic oil that is called for in most VW engines), they last a long time with little cost. I don't like to cite idiosyncratic stories, but my 93' Golf is typical to the several Golfs my friends and relatives own. It has had its teething problems. But after 60k miles (well before its warranty ended), it has given me almost no problems. I am at 150.000 miles now, and it still drives like 13 years ago. Still get 35 mpg highway, 28-30 in mixed driving (unless I am having fun). Over the past 5 years, it has cost me less money to maintain per year than its insurance costs.
Then I know several 10s of Hondas and Toyotas that friends and family own or have owned. Fine (except for some that needed 1 to 2 new transmissions or a few that needed a new engine) until 80K to 120K miles, and then everyone gets rid of them. Why? Because all of them have had numerous costly problems from then on in very short time.
Note that my Passat is approaching 80k miles and has, since 40k miles, only had an oil leak, which was fixed under warranty.
#1004 of 1617 2005 VW GTI Radiator problem
Oct 16, 2005 (3:30 pm)
Does anyone know if the GTI is know for having a radiator problem?
I just had to take mine in for a coolant leak, only to have the dealer mechanic state that my radiator fan had gouged a hole in the radiator.
That sounds a bit fishy to me, but the car is under warrantee. So while they say they need to replace the radiator and fan, it's still not costing me a dime.
Oct 18, 2005 (9:20 am)
THat's not common, I imagine you'd have heard about it. whoever put it together probably missed a screw in the fan mount or something. They're little plastic fans, I question the 'gouging a hole' but maybe a lot of wear over time, still means the fan was mounted badly.
Oct 18, 2005 (10:55 am)
Thanks for the information.
Just glad to be out of my loaner car. The Chevy Trailblazer was a cow compared to my GTI.
#1007 of 1617 Re: vws are fun[ny] cars [nixomose]
Oct 30, 2005 (4:30 pm)
I have a Brazilian 2001 1.8T with 102,000 miles on it. I put the 100K OEM VW extended warranty on it and made almost no use of the policy at all. The car has always had proper maintanence. It's been solid.
Here's my repair history:
At the free 20k mile service, they replaced an oxygen sensor and an oil line to the turbo. I wasn't aware that there was a problem.
Replaced a broken spray shield broken on a refrozen snowplow bank at the end of my driveway. $25.00
One of the windows fell into the door. VW replaced both window regulators and the coil packs as part of their recall campaign. Annoying but the window problem was a known design defect before I even bought the car.
The rear brakes went at about 52,000 miles. New rotors & pads. First time I've ever had rear brakes go before front brakes.
At 55,000 miles, the idiot light went on. Replaced a diverter valve. Reprogrammed the engine control unit to correct a fault code for misfiring.
The check engine light went on again at about 56,000 miles after the dealer had reprogrammed the ECU and replaced the diverter valve. I bought a Vag-Com diag cable and the CD with the shop manual. I tossed them on the floor of the back seat where they've lived ever since. The light went out and the car has run flawlessly ever since. I'm pretty sure my problem was that I hadn't screwed in the gas cap all the way.
I think I've replaced the whole set of headlights and daytime running lights. Wiper blades a few times. Front windshield a couple of times. I wore through the driver's floor mat and bought a new set. One replacement set of summer tires and I'm about to buy my second set of winter snow tires.
The car has been extremely reliable. It's never stranded me. I'm on original everything except for rear brakes. I have a timing belt to replace in another month or so at 105K but nothing else is showing trouble signs.