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Volkswagen GTI, Coupe, Hatchback
#687 of 1617 GTI: Where Assembled & 2003 GTI VR6 Pricing
Oct 03, 2002 (9:07 pm)
uh.. they may be wrong.. but according to Edmunds.. the 2003 GTI VR6 is built in Wolfsburg, Germany. AND 20 - 20.5G for this car with the luxury package... isn't going to happen. Invoice on that particular VW with that package is about $21,600. Add a grand for the dealer and you're looking at 22.5 plus T&L. however, I wish you well finding a 2003 GTI VR6 that hasn't been bundled with leather.. I've yet to see one. so that'll tack on another $800.
Oct 04, 2002 (11:45 am)
I'm not sure where the VR6 GTI prices came from, but you can get the 1.8T GTI for $19K-$21K, but yes the VR6's are more expensive, but to some it's worth it. Especially since they now have the 200 HP VR6 and the 6-speed trans. You can get the VR6's without leather as well since VW changed the model designations for 2002. I understand what you are saying, however, that dealers are more likely to have leather-equipped seats in them already, which is pretty likely. I guess the best way to go about it is to just order your car from the factory and get everything you want and nothing you don't.
Oct 06, 2002 (5:51 am)
You guys talk about these vague "problems" with the GTI/ Golf but other than the window regulator issue these are not problematic cars. My Brazilian built 02 1.8t GTI is year old with 12k miles and hasn't had a single problem - not even a window regulator failure. I've done a lot of performance modifications to it and take it to the track and SCCA Autocross it on a regular basis. It's driven a lot harder than typical without a problem. And the problem with the regulators has been solved - the old regulators had nylon clips that failed - VW has redesigned the regulators with metal clips and are even replacing window regulators on cars that are out of warranty free of charge. All late 02 on Golfs and Jettas have the new regulators.
The biggest beef on the New Beetles was a hatch rattle that VW solved a long time ago. Like any car company VW addresses problems and is continually upgrading their cars.
I get tired of hearing a particular car company's vehicles built outside of their home base aren't as well built. Last time I checked cars are mostly built by robot and most anything that fails in a car is a particular part that could have been made anywhere - the failed German part didn't fall off the car because a Brazilian was having a bad day at the VW plant - get real. I hope you aren't implying that Brazilians or Mexicans are somehow inferior and can't build a quality product under VW's supervision - that would be racist. Or Americans for that matter in the case of the X5 and Z3 - are German citizens the only people that can build cars properly? Do you think VW or BMW (or Mercedes, Honda, Toyota, Subaru, etc, etc) are worried that Mexicans, Brazilians or Americans are building their cars and screwing up their reputations??? thats just stupid
I bought an AMERICAN BUILT X5 3.0 last year about a month before the BRAZILIAN BUILT GTI - no problems with the X either and 3 of my friends have various Z3's that are fanatical about them. Not once did I ever consider where either vehicle was built.
The GTI and X5 are extremely well made cars, top notch fit and finish, flawless paint, rock solid dependability, BMW and VW don't build inferior products period.
Oct 06, 2002 (2:55 pm)
except for the X5s that went up in flames...those were probably inferior...LOL
#691 of 1617 GTI problems
Oct 06, 2002 (6:39 pm)
I test drove a 2003 GTI 1.8T today, and the salesman said they were built in Brazil and that VW had fixed the window problem in the 03 models by replacing the plastic clip with the more durable metal part.
I liked the car a lot but am leery of overall reliability.
A friend of mine has the 01 Beetle and has had some minor repairs to things like control switches and knobs.
#692 of 1617 window regs and other probs
Oct 07, 2002 (11:20 am)
The window reulator problem has been solved. All VW's built after July 2002 have the new metal clips to replace the problematic older, plastic clips.
As far as all the other problems, like those that jsg5 stated, those are minor problems that shouldn't steer one away from a certain car. I have an '02 GTI 1.8T, my friend has a '00 Beetle Turbo with a number of mods, another friend has an '02 Jetta 1.8T, another with a '00 Jetta 1.8T and I also have a friend with a '99 Jetta 2.0. The only one of us who's had any kind of a problem was the friend I have with the '99. She bought hers used and it wasn't in the best shape when she got it, so that doesn't exactly say anything bad about VW, just the previous owner. All of our other cars have performed perfectly well. Any kind of a problem with control switches or knobs is surely something minor that could happen to any other vehicle. If something simple like that is enough to get you to decide against a car, then you likely won't be buying one any time soon because those types of repairs are performed on all vehicles, not just VW's. The switches and knobs are not usually even built by the car company itself, they farm their work out to other supliers and just install the parts in their factory. So, it's also likely that many of these switches and knobs are built by the same company that would supply many other car manufacturers as well.
#693 of 1617 VW problems
Oct 07, 2002 (2:41 pm)
I admit that if I really liked a car I wouldn't let a few minor glitches run me off. But I do worry that small problems can reflect larger inconsistencies in the car which could develop into substantial repairs down the road. Like they say, where there's smoke there's fire.
It may be that I'm a bit spoiled. I've owned 4 Hondas over the last 20 years and have had very few problems with them. In particular, none of their control switches fell off or stopped working within 1 year of purchase.
#694 of 1617 power mirror knob
Oct 08, 2002 (5:25 am)
one thing to remember is the knob goes only up, down, left, and right. Doing diagonals will break the knob.
Oct 08, 2002 (12:47 pm)
I've owned 4 VW's over the years and my sister has owned 4 or 5 Hondas. I can't say that my VW's are any better or worse than her Honda's over the long haul (100k + miles). VW's tend to have minor glitches from time to time but alwayst start and run, I've never been stranded by a VW - just like a Honda.
VW's are much more complex than a typical Honda (especially electronics) so it makes sense that there is more to go wrong. ABS, ASC(traction control) 6 airbags, remote entry, power mirrors, locks etc. etc. are standard on even the most basic VW.
I've never had a control knob fall off my VW's.
#696 of 1617 Edmunds is wrong, the GTI/Golf...
Oct 08, 2002 (3:50 pm)
Since 2001 (I had one of the last 2001 GTIs made in Wolfsburg, prod. date 6/00) all GTIs/Golfs have been made in the new factory in Brazil.
What difference does it make if you have Hungarians working in the Wolfsburg factory making your car or Brazilians in the Brazilian factory making your car? All are managed by Germans, in some cases that I've heard, quality reports are better from Brazil.