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2000 hatchback Catalytic Converter match? by alniter
Jul 10, 2009 (9:10 am)
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I'm trying to replace my rear catalytic converter on my base-model 1.0L 2000 Metro hatchback. The problem is all the ones online that claim to be "direct fits" for my model look nothing like mine! Mine, front to rear, consists of: (1) 15" of pipe preceded by a bolt-on end that matches the pipe before it; (2) 13" cylindrical conveter; and (3) about 3" of raw pipe that slides into the pipe after it and is clamped there.
     The ones online have either no pipe on either end, or have way-too-long pipes on one end that curve and don't have the bolt-on. Plus, the converters themselves are more rounded rectangular blocks than cylinders. Am I missing something? Any help would be appreciated.
 
Thanks,
Steve in Florida
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Re: 2000 hatchback Catalytic Converter match? [alniter] by zaken1
Jul 10, 2009 (10:07 am)
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Replying to: alniter (Jul 10, 2009 9:10 am)

The problem is that your car does not have a rear catalytic converter. There is only one catalytic converter on your car. The part you are trying to replace is called a resonator. It is a small muffler which is located upstream of the main muffler. It bolts on to the flange on the rear of the catalytic converter. and is tuned to work in tandem with the muffler in cancelling sound. This part is usually included in the connecting pipe from the converter to the rear muffler. Try looking on www.rockauto.com.
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Re: 2000 hatchback Catalytic Converter match? [zaken1] by alniter
Jul 10, 2009 (10:27 am)
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Replying to: zaken1 (Jul 10, 2009 10:07 am)

The Haynes Repair Manual led me to believe it was a rear catalytic converter. I am now a strange mixture of embarrassed and grateful. Thank you.
 
Steve in Florida
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Re: 2000 hatchback Catalytic Converter match? [alniter] by zaken1
Jul 10, 2009 (12:37 pm)
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Replying to: alniter (Jul 10, 2009 10:27 am)

Steve; Dont feel too bad about this. People on this site often feel as you do after I respond to their questions. It's just one of the hazards of posting questions here. Besides, I also used to live in Florida (Kissimmee). So there must be some redeeming quality I picked up there.
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Idle Surges Under Electrical Load by shaggyman1
Jul 18, 2009 (11:50 am)
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I know I have seen this on one of the forums, but can't seem to find in in search.
1996 Metro G10 runs perfectly, EXCEPT.....
Idle surges under electrical load such as blower fan or headlights.
Idle jumps up to 2000 RPM and drops to 1500 Rpm about once a second for 8 or 10 cycles, then returns to normal idle until the throttle is opened even slightly- then repeats. It does this when driving whenever the pedal is slacked off during deceleration, resulting in a rather unnerving pulsation, as if one was tapping on the accelerator pedal.
Troubleshooting charts don't seem to address this adequately, so if someone can steer me in the right direction I would be very grateful.
 
TIA
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Re: Idle Surges Under Electrical Load [shaggyman1] by zaken1
Jul 18, 2009 (12:22 pm)
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Replying to: shaggyman1 (Jul 18, 2009 11:50 am)

Hi again; glad to see you finally got it going! This problem sounds like the throttle position switch is set too lean (turned too far counterclockwise). So try loosening the TPS mounting screws and turning it a small amount clockwise. The computer may take a while to get used to the new setting, so don't make any hasty judgements about how or whether it worked for a day or two.
 
But it may take several tries to get it zeroed in to where it runs best.
 
Before attempting to adjust the TPS; the igntion timing should be set to 6 degrees BTDC with a timing light; while the check connector terminals are shorted as described in the manufacturer's instructions. And the spark plug gap should be set to .042"
 
I hope this helps!!
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Re: Idle Surges Under Electrical Load [zaken1] by shaggyman1
Jul 23, 2009 (1:33 pm)
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Replying to: zaken1 (Jul 18, 2009 12:22 pm)

Thanks Mr Z!
I thought I might have found the root of all evil: I set the timing, and was tinkering with the TPS when I glnced down and saw the timing move a couple degrees. As the diagnostic connector was jumpered, I got very suspicious- on probing the ground terminal, I found NO ground. Backprobed the wire and got good ground.
Fine! I cut the wires and twisted them together: lo and behold! the timing was sitting at 1 BTC, not the six I had set it at. It appears that I have been running retarded forever! Gaaahhh! Hope I didn't burn another valve....
I tried setting the TPS with a feeler, etc, but it would not start or run cold- kept tinkering until I found a spot midrange (richer) that would allow it to start and idle, but it still dies when given any throttle, unless I let it warm up for two or three minutes.
I drove 45 miles, and the ECU set a code of P0123: TPS Switch A Circuit High Input. Checked the input from the ECU, and it is a steady 5V, like it should be. Cleared the code put in a new battery, and am anxiously awaiting tomorrow's trip to see if the new battery helps any. (okay, but sometimes a straw is just what you need to grasp...)
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Re: Idle Surges Under Electrical Load [shaggyman1] by zaken1
Jul 23, 2009 (2:12 pm)
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Replying to: shaggyman1 (Jul 23, 2009 1:33 pm)

It now sounds like you still may be using the wrong TPS sensor. Either that, or there is a short circuit in the wiring or the sensor element for the fuel injection coolant temperature sensor.
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Re: Idle Surges Under Electrical Load [zaken1] by shaggyman1
Jul 23, 2009 (2:27 pm)
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Replying to: zaken1 (Jul 23, 2009 2:12 pm)

I've tried four different TPS's, but they are all alike and came from (slavage) 94 and 95 vehicles. I'm wondering if there is another critter out there made to work with the Idle Speed Control Motor. Still looking for a later model with a G10 in the yards, as TPS units are kinda pricey....
I'm going to find a shady spot and do some backprobing in the harness.
The coolant sensor has been replaced, and doesn't seem to be the culprit, even though it certainly appears that temperature is the determining factor.
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Re: Idle Surges Under Electrical Load [shaggyman1] by zaken1
Jul 23, 2009 (4:48 pm)
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Replying to: shaggyman1 (Jul 23, 2009 2:27 pm)

Incidentally, I'm not familiar with the G10 model number you often mention. My engine is referred to as a VIN code 6; and that designation is used on all the 3 cylinder Metros (both Geo and Chevy). The TPS on my 1990 5 speed is marked 179950-6281. It also is marked 1.5--6.0 degrees. And I expect it will work with your ISC motor.
 
They also used a different MAP sensor in the 1989-91 3 cyl models; which I find runs a bit richer (which I think would be a benefit in your situation). It has a thick plastic section where the mounting bolt goes through; while the later unit uses a metal plate in that location. It will mate with your harness plug. If someone installed the wrong MAP sensor, or if your engine's compression has now changed enough to have leaned out the mixture; the earlier MAP sensor would be worth trying. Mine is labeled 18590--60B00, and underneath that is another line reading 079800--1540.

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