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You are in the Volkswagen Golf
What is this discussion about?
Volkswagen Golf, Honda Civic, Hatchback
#629 of 667 What wrecked car look ike
Feb 13, 2006 (4:14 pm)
Isn't a good gauge of protection. Since most modern cars are built to sacrifice themselves in a crash.
Never heard of Honda fuel injection "shorting out". That's a new one. My new to me 1996 Civic EX sedan just got 37 mpg with mixed use. This is my third 1996 Civic EX and the second one with over 100K. No fuel injection problems just great gas mileage.
Here's an idea. Good cars are usually rewarded with excellent resale throughout their useful lives and exceptional history of reliability. Check any data on 10 year old VW Golfs's vs Honda Civics with equal mileage. See if you would still want to keep one for a long while. Maybe a lease though.
And when you adjust for sales, the number of horror stories told about VW products challenges GM products. And it goes beyond the cars themselves. It extends to dealership and manufacturer customer service also. It's scary.
#630 of 667 umm ok..
Feb 13, 2006 (5:22 pm)
I am sure that montalbano is smart enough to look at the passenger compartment not the fenders!
There are to many variables to consider the resale price of cars like these after 10 years and 150,000 miles. Like whos will be stolen, who paid more insurance, price of gas, how fast the body goes out of style, trim, etc. I am not willing to do that much research / work. AutoTrader has an interesting tool:
link title but still does not take into account everything.
AND what is this about fuel injection?
#631 of 667 Hondas of the past decade have made great strides
Feb 13, 2006 (5:58 pm)
In passenger safety. In fact they have built quite e reputation for being safe and efficient. Honda went so far as to build a dedicated crash safety center.
Not much research to do. Probably only a few more clicks than it took to create that last post saying that you weren't willing to do the research. Yet willing to post that you aren't willing to research. Many of those resale variables are taken into account when values are given. that's why they ask what level of cleanliness the car is.
And speaking of variables. I would think the variables involved in assessing the severity of an accident by looking at the wreckage to be much less accurate than simply checking KBB and or Consumer Reports.
#632 of 667 Re: Hondas of the past decade have made great strides [gee35coupe]
Feb 14, 2006 (10:41 am)
OK gee35coupe if the research is so easy...
Then I anctiously await your detailed economic evaluation and comparison of the VW Golf and Honda Civic and their long term ownership economies.
I expect that you will consider all of the variables that I listed previously and preferably a few more as well.
Also KBB and Consumer Reports do NOT do crash tests.
#633 of 667 VW is bad bad ... US costs too much!!
Feb 14, 2006 (11:38 am)
But Mr Pischetsrieder said VW, which includes Bentley, had made only a "very slight" profit after steep losses. "We continue to incur significant losses on cars exported from Germany to the United States. To ensure a long-term future for the group, we must act rapidly," he said.
Volkswagen, Europe's largest carmaker, warned yesterday that it could axe up to 20,000 jobs at its core VW brand and close several loss-making German plants in a restructuring designed to restore profits.
Bernd Pischetsrieder, chief executive, told VW's 103,000 German employees that their productivity was low, plants recorded very high losses and some component operations were uneconomical.
#634 of 667 Re: VW is bad bad ... US costs too much!! [midnightcowboy]
Feb 14, 2006 (1:35 pm)
Yikes. Maybe the Ford guys can console the VW guys? (Not making light here, I promise). It's a shame that such a huge business is seemingly TOO big for itself.
#635 of 667 Re: VW is bad bad ... US costs too much!! [midnightcowboy]
Feb 15, 2006 (1:45 am)
So, good news all around. Everyone (not only share holders) should be happy that problems to remain the largest car maker in Europe and to remain competitive are addressed early on, rather than being swept under a GM carpet.
#636 of 667 I think it's a little late to say
Feb 15, 2006 (12:28 pm)
The problems are being addressed "early on". VW as a brand has been in trouble for more than a few years now. Although not quite as bad or as long as GM though.
#637 of 667 Am I crazy
Mar 04, 2006 (8:58 am)
My wife drives a BMW 5 . I drive an Accura Type S no problems.it's bullet proof except for cheap leather seats. At 30k they replaced back on front drivers side. Also, My Integras did the same thing.
Now for the crazy part. I want heated seats,regular gas and a nav system.
I've been reading horror stories on here about VW for 3 years.
What if, I buy a Golf with all the above as Honda doesn't offer heated seats in their Civic, or a H/B model.
I would spend the extra bucks for an extended warranty.
#638 of 667 Re: Am I crazy [joem5]
Mar 04, 2006 (8:13 pm)
If the Golf (or other VWs, for that matter) really were so bad, the millions of Europeans buying it would all have to be crazy, I guess. Fact is that VWs are not as reliable as, say, most Hondas or Toyotas. By about a factor of 2, currently (but improving with the new generation). So, that means if you have one problem with one of the other cars in a given amount of time, you would have two with a VW (or less, if they are indeed improving). If reliability is your number one priority, that may matter. If you feel life is too short to miss out on a great driving experience, the difference may be irrelevant. VWs also carry a good warranty, and their engines are generally bulletproof and last a long time (oil changes required).
The new Golf will be out in a few months (end of June to end of July for the various models). I know you mentioned regular gas (which the 2.5l engine - same as in the Jetta - will take), but you may also want to consider the new 2.0TFSI engine. It is much more powerful, but uses less gas. In the end, you will likely break even, although it requires premium gas. You can test drive it in the GTI or in the Jetta/GLI.