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Volkswagen Golf, Honda Civic, Hatchback
#596 of 667 That study was for three year values.
May 11, 2005 (6:01 pm)
My post was referrring to why there are few older VW's on the road. Between the frequency of repairs and the costs involved, Honda reliability will keep them on the road longer.
They sold a lot of Foxes though. And they were cheap. And they are now nearly extinct. The 87 bodystyle Civic went out of production in 1991 and they are still everywhere. I know they sold a lot of them but they also sold a lot of Ford Tauruses back then and they are nearly gone too. Reliable cheap to run cars stay on the road longer. A durable body does you no good if you can't keep the engine running.
#597 of 667 Re: That study was for three year values. [gee35coupe]
May 12, 2005 (2:56 am)
Conversely, driving a car with a severely rusted body presents a serious safety issue - especially if one were to have a collision. Proper maintenance keeps the engine running on any car - but a rusted body renders the car useless (unless you can find a car with a good body to transfer the powertrain to).
Civics are numerous in your area because they don't salt the roads (during the winter) as heavily as the Northeast/Mid Atlantic (where I live) or Midwest. Plus, the frequency of certain automobiles are lower in your area because of population - The Northeast/MidAtlantic region (extending from Boston to Richmond, VA) has a higher population density than the Southeast - therefore, the more people there are, the more drivers there are, and a higher frequency of a given automobile model is seen on the roads.
No matter what side of the issue you're on - it's been a good discussion all the way around
#598 of 667 Re: That study was for three year values. [600kgolfgt]
May 12, 2005 (4:27 am)
As someone who lives in northern new jersey, I can assure you there's plenty of salt on the roads. It doesn't seem to effect the sheer number of older civics (or accords, camrys, corollas, etc) that are still being used as daily commuting cars. It's really quite astounding when you think about it because it's not just the weather, it's a hard stop and go commute to go just about anywhere around me.
I'm actually kind of curious to see cars of my vintage ('98) will hold up body-wise over time as I'm sure they've improved rust tolerance over time.
#599 of 667 Proper maintenance..
May 12, 2005 (5:53 am)
Won't do anything to keep the car running when the electronics go bad. A hole in a fender is nothing. I drove such a car when I was stationed in Okinawa. Rear view mirror fell all the way off of my 1976 Toyota Corona. But the car still got me from a-b. Just get some bondo. You can drive a car with rust. You can't drive a car that doesn't run because the fuel injection computer fried itself or some of the other off the wall stuff that happens to VW's.
#600 of 667 Re: Proper maintenance.. [gee35coupe]
May 12, 2005 (8:12 am)
Fuel injection computers frying - I haven't heard of many overwhelming cases.
Now as far as the other off the wall stuff (coil cracking issues, window regulator issues, and mass airflow sensor) - those I'm familiar with - That's why they're handled via Technical Service Bulletins. My 1987 Golf GT only stranded me once due to an electrically-related issue - the fuel pump that went out at the 375,000 mile mark... Preventative maintenance took care of the rest - over the years I've developed a knack for troubleshooting the wearable components in my car (starter, altenator, voltage regulator, etc.) to make sure they're not at the end of their service life. Those components that are nearing their end, I replace. That instinct has kept me out of trouble during my 20+ years of car ownership.
#601 of 667 Re: Proper maintenance.. [gee35coupe]
May 12, 2005 (8:48 am)
Here's an interesting opinion: (when you click on the link, read Items #7 and #10)
Things may not be as happy in Honda-land as they may seem.
VW isn't the only manufacturer having problems...
#603 of 667 Re: Yeah but they are the only German one with a questionable future. [gee3
May 14, 2005 (6:15 pm)
Which is why the brought on board one of the best Car executives in the business - Wolfgang Bernhard - the man responsible for Daimler-Chrysler's resurgence.
Click on this link and read Item #10. So in the long run VW is in good hands. As much as you seem to want them to go away, any news of their demise is greatly exaggerated...
#604 of 667 I wish em luck...
May 16, 2005 (9:43 am)
But with the dealers complaining about the lack of lower range Jettas cars and the lack of inventory in general, I guess it will be a while before we know the results.
I couldn't care less if they stayed or left by the way. They are a non-issue to me.
#605 of 667 Re: I wish em luck... [gee35coupe]
May 16, 2005 (10:22 am)
It sounds like you have a personal hatred for VW's. If one prefers a Honda...buy a Honda...if someone prefers a VW...Buy a VW!!! Diversity is what make the world go around!!