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You are in the Volkswagen Golf
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Volkswagen Golf, Honda Civic, Hatchback
#583 of 667 Re: Advanced engines in the Golf? [gee35coupe]
May 06, 2005 (4:16 am)
The Golf has had 6 airbags standard since 2002. Honda just offered them recently. And the Golf/Jetta have been best picks in safety also. So in that area - stalemate.
The 1.8T engine's peak torque starts at 1950 rpm and stays there until 5000 rpm. To get low end torque out of a turbocharged engine is what I would definitely call advanced.
And the upcoming 2.0T engine with its direct injection and 10.3:1 compression ratio has basically eliminated the dreaded turbo lag. And also, VW has been making the TDI engine (Turborcharged Direct Injection) for several years. So in a way, they are advanced.
Hondas engines are advanced as well (especially with its VVT technology), you just have to wind the engine up to the 3000 - 4000 rpm range to reach its peak torque (a byproduct of its racing technology). And their hybrid technology is advanced as well - although the jury is still out on how they hold up during a long term of ownership - 150,000+ miles. The gas engine of the hybrid equation will make and exceed that mileage interval very easily. The question mark will be how long the electric motor/battery portion will last.
To sum it up:
Golf - More durable, but not as reliable as the Honda
Honda - More reliable, but not as durable as the Golf.
Different strokes for different folks...
May 06, 2005 (4:42 am)
I've owned Honda's for 14 years..why? I don't dare try anything else! they've been flawless for me...i've traded in and out and purchased about 8 in that time. upgraded for expanding family, purchased cheap then sold for major bucks a few 'winter beaters', etc. not once have I had a 'lemon'.
aside from minor repairs: tune ups, oil change, torn CV boots, etc. they have been wonderful and CHEAP to maintain!
The issue with VW is the cost of maintenence is higher, sometimes alot! axles for my 92 civic? 46.00 each, complete! oil change? 9.95! etc...
The VW has 'imagined' reliability. not sure why everyone loves them so...and everyone just keeps saying how much they fix them!
I sell cars, Honda's last 2 years, now I manage our Nissan store...and the trade value is horrendous in a VW! you generally pay more, and get much less in the long run.
It's amazing how much more they do cost new to purchase than a Honda. And they really arent' that good (as far as reliablity goes)
my 2 cents....
#585 of 667 Re: My 2 cents... [badodyssey]
May 06, 2005 (5:29 am)
You just made my point (Hondas are more reliable, but VWs are more durable)- You've owned eight Hondas in 14 years. I owned a 1987 Golf GT for 16 years and 624,000 miles, a 1975 Scirocco for 6 years and 200,000 miles, and I now have two Jettas: a 2003 Wolfsburg and a 1997 Jetta Trek. So that's four VW in 23+ years. I tend to keep my cars a lot longer than the average person, and the VW's have worked well for me (especially in the rustproofing/body integrity department). At the time I had my 87 Golf, I've seen quite a few Hondas (newer than my Golf) with rust problems and paint flaking problems. So for the long term ownership I will take a VW over Honda...
May 06, 2005 (6:23 am)
Well I like the 98 Jetta I have been driving; though the car is certainly starting to show its wear. But at 140 K miles it certainly has not done all that poorly. One starter motor and a Battery in almost 7 years is not bad in terms of reliability. I am starting to think about trading it in mostly because I find I need something with more cargo hauling capability than a sedan provides. I have not ruled out the Golf, but my Cousin runs a VW repair shop and says that the current (outgoing generation) VWs have had alot of electrical issues.
#587 of 667 Re: My 2 cents... [600kgolfgt]
May 06, 2005 (9:02 am)
I don't think there's a problem w/ regards to durability of a civic or any honda in general. As evidence I would point to the enormous number of 15 or even 20 year old civics I see on my way to work being used as commuter cars (not just a college/ high school kid that may drive 100 miles per week). They run and a lot of them still look pretty good surprisingly (especially that hatchback whose picture is in the dictionary under the term bulletproof).
Sure some may have rust on the rear wheel wells, most cars being used as a primary vehicle throughout it's entire life tends to. But, the interior remains durable. Plastic doesn't peel, seats don't wear out, door handles don't break off, etc etc. While YMMV, I don't think durability is a civic issue just like it's reliability rating.
#588 of 667 Re: My 2 cents... [chidoro]
May 06, 2005 (10:16 am)
"As evidence I would point to the enormous number of 15 or even 20 year old civics I see on my way to work being used as commuter cars (not just a college/ high school kid that may drive 100 miles per week). "
You're kidding, right? If you're not, I'll throw in my anecdotal observations as well. I live in a large metropolitan area and I rarely see older civics on the roads - and the ones that are...are rusted out - and not in harmless areas, ie, the lower part of hatch on a hatchback that allows toxic gasses into the cabin. No thanks.
#589 of 667 Re: My 2 cents... [wetwillie]
May 06, 2005 (10:54 am)
You're more than welcome to put whatever inflection on your post that makes you sleep better at night. I too live in a metropolitan area and would certainly stand by my observations, regardless of your tone and inference.
#590 of 667 Even if you see fewer Civic's
May 06, 2005 (4:13 pm)
I know around here, we rarely see old Jetta or Golfs. And the first gen Passat is also absent. By old I mean over 10 years. I mean there are the occasional sightings, but I just got rid of my 1993 Civic EX with 120K a couple years ago and nothing was wrong with it. No rust or anything. I just wanted another car. Heck though in the last few years we've owned 3 Si's and 3 03+ Accords. How often you trade cas has nothing to do with the reliability.
But VW placing in the bottom of nearly any longevity study speaks more volumes than any anecdotal story anyone can conjure. And the fact that the VW loses value like a sieve would also spell doom for longevity since any major repair to a aged VW could easily end up costing more than the car is worth. The only place that situation leads is to the auto crusher.
#592 of 667 Re: Even if you see fewer Civic's [gee35coupe]
May 07, 2005 (8:18 pm)
>I know around here, we rarely see old Jetta or Golfs. And the first gen Passat is also absent.
I don't know what area you live in, but on both coasts (East Coast and West Coast), there is an abundance of old VWs, Hondas, etc... So I guess the car crusher is pretty hungry at the moment...