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Volkswagen Golf, Honda Civic, Hatchback
Jun 28, 2000 (3:39 am)
Hello, I am from Taiwan, and will go to study in States next month. I found carmarkets are very different between countries and I'd like to share you what's different here. Maybe it won't be help for you in buying a car in U.S, but you may find something interesting.
A Golf 2.0 GLS here is about 30,000 US. dollars because of high import tax. But everyone who ownes a VW feel it's worth. Here, A VW's product is compared with a BMW, because of it's applearing(exterior and interior), and many parts that borrow from Audi. And a BMW 323i costs about 50,000 dollars in Taiwan. Therefore, some people buy a VW if he couldn't offer 50,000.
A SOCH V-Tech Civic (we don't have a DOCH si) with powereverything,leather seat, 6 Disk CD Changer, wood trim, alloy wheels,even VCD, radar alarm for parking, mobil information system includes e-map...is about 20,000. Because it's produced domestic, so it's much cheaper and still have good quality. It's realy saled a lots but I feel it is just like a reliable multi-function electric watch that can be bought in 3 dollars in Taiwan's nightmarket.
In my country, the best sales "compact" car is Nissan Sentra, the market is about 3 times than Civic, because of the MORE equipment, better appearing(Taiwan's company that produce Nissan car bought Benz, BMW even R-R for reference and redesign Sentra and Maxiam and very successful)
we also don't have a Intergue here, I have heared that is a great car, but I don't like its style. Accord is popular but is still defeated by Maxiam(We call it Cefiro). If young people want a speedly car, most of them will consider Impreza GT Tubro first, its tubo boxser engine with AWD make it 0-60 in 6seconds, and it's easy to update and reduce 1-2seconds. It costs about 31,000 dollars.
My car now is an 1994 Infinte G20 called Nissan Primra here. Its about 20,000 dollars when I bought in new, and it is even cheaper than a Toyota Corolla import from US.
Jun 28, 2000 (8:53 pm)
The distributor rotor should be covered by the warranty but it's very easy to replace. It's a little plastic circular part that almost anyone can do it. Lika sentra20 said, make sure you don't mismatch the ignition wires that connect to the top of the distributor cap.
Jun 28, 2000 (9:20 pm)
I don't give up yet, I 'll make you see the light sooner or later! just kidding. Very interesting setup you 3 have.. Do you ever fight who is going to keep the car during the week?
Do you guys have at least a 22mm rear sway bar? (I know Skunkworks came with 20 & 21mm before making bigger ones, think they 're up to 23mm now). I 'd highly recommend a rear upper strut bar if you don't already have one. Neuspeed or Spoon make really good ones, stay away from the DC Sports one - very weak. But if you guys are winning races and trophies with the GSR, why bother?
You 're right about the Type-R. I wouldn't use it as a daily driver or commute with it. My brother doesn't either. I 'd only drive it on the weekends and race the hell out of it every spring/summer, which is what he does..
My '99 GSR is not my daily driver either. My '97 Civic HB is. The GSR lately has seen more
auto-x tracks/parking lots than regular roads.
The Type-R you must admit dominates the GS class and that 's why most ITR owners leave them stock.
A well modified GSR can beat a stock ITR, yes, but it will take at least what you have on your car, a really good driver and $$ dinero. Coilovers (at least 350lbs/F & 300lbs/Rear), adjustable shocks and a minimum of 22mm rear sway are a must when going up against a stock ITR (with racing tires). You will also need a set of good aftermarket brake pads for more stopping power. Remember the Type-R has Limited Slip so that's where the coilovers & performance shocks come in to play to counter that feature in the ITR. It would still be very hard for a GSR to beat a stock ITR with Kumho tires (like my brother has on) or any other racing tire (ITR remains in the GS class). But it's doable.
Have you ever driven a Type-R? or been in one?
My modded GSR still doesn't compare to it. The ITR has unbelievable brakes that are very hard to make them fade (unlike the GSR's) and with racing tires it feels like a go-kart! Braking is very important in auto-x for those really tight turns or 90deg. ones. There 's nothing better than getting a nice handling package right out of the box/factory. But if you can get a modded GSR for like $10K like you guys did, then I agree, work with the GSR..
What kind of spring rates are your Skunkworks coilovers? You have a pretty nice setup. I don't have coilovers but I have H&R Sports springs. The coilovers were mucho$$ but I 'm still considering Ground Controls for next year.
Jun 28, 2000 (10:45 pm)
The coilovers are junk. I have no idea what the spring rates are. I would rather have put straight springs in it. The rear quarters popped all of the time. We made a rear strut tower brace after the first race. It helped a little. Now we get a lot of 3 wheeling around corners. One guy has even had it on 2 wheels. We are now looking at mounting a cage in it. We have not stripped the interior out yet, but we are not far from that. I have never driven a Type-R or rode in one. I race with a guy that has one. He is one hell of a driver(raced street bikes before this). I have not seen him out this year. He ran on street tires last year and nearly beat me in my '94 GSR Sedan with Nuespeed .75 inch drop springs and the Skunkworks 21mm bar, and the Kuhmo's. The LSD would rule. My SER came with that I love the way you can exit the corners. I plan on racing the SER this weekend to see what it is capable of. The GSR and GTI are going to sit. The SER is stock, but I will run my 15x7 wheels on it and have to run in DSP. As fast as the GSR is the Rabbit is more fun to race. It is racing at it simplest form. Throw out all the technology and other crap and just drive. (no heater, no radio, no ac, and no interior) I love the cage, harness, and racing buckets. The best part about the car is that I bought it the way it is and didn't have to touch it. The car is in mint condition and is painted yellow. I parked it next to a '00 Yellow ITR at the first race of the season and I had more lookers then the guy in the ITR. (not to mention faster times) It also beat a punk in a Supercharged Civic Ex. He said it runs high 13's in the quarter. I'm guessing the Rabbit won't do much under 17. How could he lose on a course where the back half is a flat footed race to the lights? Either way I'm sure he'll be back for more. Later.
Jun 28, 2000 (10:47 pm)
Doesn't the Camero give the Type-R a hard time in GS?
#378 of 667 carlady
Jun 30, 2000 (2:33 am)
I think we were on the VW Golf vs. the Honda Civic....
#379 of 667 Civic DX vs. VW Golf
Jul 05, 2000 (2:55 pm)
Back to the original topic. It is really not a valid argument. The Golf has more standard options. These are options that are not available on the Civic. Honda hatchback buyers must not be looking for the extra goodies and just want reliable transportation, otherwise Honda would still offer the Si. I wish Honda still made the Si hatchback. (or better yet brought over the Type-R hatchback) I will not drive a car without AC, Cruise, a Tach, and a 5-speed. The Civic DX doesn’t have a Tach or Cruise. You could add after market ones, but I really am not excited about the way either of them look or work. I would also like a factory installed PWR Moon-roof. Which is not available on the Civic. Maybe we should start a Golf vs. Focus ZX3 board.
#380 of 667 carlady
Jul 05, 2000 (4:41 pm)
Been there, done that! See topic #246 for Focus vs. Golf comparisons!
Jul 05, 2000 (8:12 pm)
I think the DX has a tach, it's missing on the CX. My opinion is that hatchback buyers in general aren't looking for the extra goodies. Chances are Honda finds that people are willing to pay more for a sporty coupe than for hatchbacks.
But I'm with you, I like lots of equipment on my car. I use to own a 98 civic DX. It was a great car for what it was .. reliable, economical, and practical. But no A/C, no power windows, no sunroof. Long distance driving on hot days were the worst. Guess I was too cheap to pay for the dealer installed A/C (they were asking $1700 Cdn :-o).
Jul 06, 2000 (12:10 am)
If I'm correct they don't offer a tach in a US Civic DX. Not even the coupe or Sedan. (Only1harry) Am I right about this?