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#294 of 667 Honda needs a hatch
Apr 18, 2000 (6:11 pm)
Topic # 271 is Honda Insight Hatchback, is the Insight really available in a hatch version, if so great if not maybe Honda has a 5 door hatch in the works ! SUV = Soccer UV ?
Rob Fruth - Houston, Tx
1981 Raleigh for commuting, errands & fun ____ __o
1997 Trek 2300 for real fun ! ____ _ \ | _)
2000 Civic hatchback when I have to (_)/ (_)
#295 of 667 carlady
Apr 18, 2000 (9:08 pm)
Yes, you're right! The Insight is a hatchback. As a hybrid car, I tend not to think of it for the typical car buyer. Good point. I don't see any sign of a 5-door yet. We certainly need more of them on the market.
Apr 18, 2000 (11:22 pm)
Does anyone have an e-mail or P.O. address for Honda? How can we convince Honda that there are some people who would like a 5dr hatch and not a gas guzzling SUV?
I have been keeping up with a site called vtec.net and Honda sells 5dr hatches in Europe.
What can we do to convince Honda to sell these models in the U.S.
#297 of 667 Well, for starters
Apr 19, 2000 (2:03 am)
You can round up a couple thousand friends that want to buy one. 5 door hatches have never sold well in the US, with the possible exception of the Golf (And even that's up for debate.) The vast majority of 5 door hatches sold here have also been obscenely ugly, witness the Nova 5 door, Prizm 5 door, Saab 5 doors have never been particularly attractive, etc, etc. I've never seen a picture of a Honda 5 door (Do they even produce one?) I guess you're stuck with the PT Cruiser or a Subaru of some sort.
#298 of 667 Honda will make a 5dr in '01...but
Apr 19, 2000 (9:23 pm)
for Japan and Asian markets only. Go to VTEC.NET and look up the news/rumors. Somewhere down the list (in March I believe) there is an article from a Japanese magazine that shows pictures of the '01 Civic 5dr htbk, '01 Integra Type-R and NSX.
The Civic 5dr looks like the new Forcus HB a little.
They will also have for the first time a 4dr Civic sedan Type-R with the current Integra
Type-R engine - 200hp! (Japanese version is always 5hp more than US). I guess they know these cars won't sell well here Sure they might sell a couple of thousand but probably not worth their while to export.
#299 of 667 VW Golf info
Apr 22, 2000 (8:18 pm)
I own a 2k Golf GL, with the 2.0 engine. I can tell you that speed is not its thing, any Neon or Honda out there can take it and I wouldn't even consider running agianst a Focus ZR3. I looked at, drove and researched the heck out of the three since I wanted a hb. If Honda still made an SI hatch, that is what I would of bought. I went with VW for features like ABS, fit and finish and looks. The Focus just screamed small car to me even though it is big on the inside. Something else to consider, only 1000 Golfs are sold per month in America, I have more stangers ask me about my car and have never seen more than a few like it.
#300 of 667 Long-term Honda roadtest
Apr 23, 2000 (1:58 am)
I'm getting rid of an '87 Civic DX Hatchback in a few months. It has 163K on it but the rust monster has basically eaten the car. I thought a few people out there might be interested in the results of my "road test." As far as maintenance goes, I've changed the oil, air filter and coolant religiously; the car does not burn any oil. Do I want another Honda? No. Why. . .
1. Wiper motor failed at 19K. Replaced under warranty.
2. Carb floats failed at ~43K. Complete carb rebuild.
3. Ignition switch failed at ~53K. Car had to be towed.
4. Radiator replaced at about 120K. This car has gone through 2 thermostats as well. With all that, it still runs much closer to redline than any other car I have ever driven.
5. Cassette has not worked properly since about '93. Right speaker failed in about '95. This car has the worst radio reception I have ever experienced.
6. Starter motor replaced at about 135K.
7. The car has had a vacuum leak as long as I have had it. The idle sounds funny but seems to work OK.
8. The stick has been very sticky since about '96. I am told the problem is bad bushings. Too cheap to fix.
9. Seat belts have failed to retract properly since about 1995.
10. The skin of the right rocker and the structural components no longer touch. Rust in other places too. Left rear wheel no longer perpendicular to road.
11. After about 50K miles, virtually every brake job involved a cylinder replacement.
There have GOT to be better vehicles on the road than this piece of trash. Lest anyone think that I have the only Honda problem child, I have a friend with a Civic that REALLY overheated. Although there was never any coolant in the oil or oil in the coolant, the problem was only fixed at 92K with a replacement engine. Back to my car, both CV joints have been replaced, but I consider that quasi-routine.
Apr 24, 2000 (3:53 pm)
Well, with a couple of exceptions, your list of "problems" are pretty trivial. It's an old car with 163K. Sounds like you REALLY don't like to spend money. Your radio has been broken for seven years and you put up with it....?
I wonder what you would be complaining about if you had bought a Volkswagen instad of a Honda?
Apr 24, 2000 (4:37 pm)
Well I got 96k mi. on my '97 Civic DX htbk now and I 've replaced the following:
0-83K mi. - NOTHING replaced (just did a minor
83K mi. Speed sensor went and blew the alternator
Both were replaced under the extended
warranty I had purchased.
83K - 96K present - NOTHING! car runs great!
Even the battery is factory..
Of course I did replace the timing belt at 91K mi. as part of the maintenance and I replaced the brake pads at 75k mi. (no cylinder, just pads)
Oil is replaced every 3500 mi. Radiator was flushed once at 55K mi. - ALL regular maintenance stuff - cheap..
All my friends have had similar experiences with their '92-'99 Civics as I have (so far).
I drive my Civic very hard and very fast. I average 80mph all the time going to work and back home and I often hit a 100mph for a few seconds (I then remember that I 'm not in my Integra GSR and I slow down). The engine sounds and feels like when I first bought the car and after I tuned up around 83K mi. it's even faster now!
Sounds like you just had bad luck with your Civic but it wasn't too bad. I 've seen a lot worse with VWs. My friend got rid of his '89 Jetta when it had 80K mi. He replaced almost everything in the car except for the motor!! He had to replace the water pump at least twice! Starter, oil pump, voltage regulators, alternators, radiator, you name it! I 'm sure the VWs are better now but I just got a phobia and stay away from them after seeing what my friend went through. I wouldn't blame you either if you didn't buy another Honda but if you had a VW it might 've been worse. You definitely didn't have "your average" Honda but again I don't think your problems were that great either IMO.
#303 of 667 Trivial problems?
Apr 25, 2000 (1:15 am)
Structural rust causing the car to fall apart is not trivial. Working at a large facility, I see lots of parked cars. Hondas have the worst rust of any Japanese brand. My favorite is that stupid strip they still put on the inside of Civic rear fenders and used to put on Accords. Is it because the paint can't handle junk from the road being tossed up there? In any event, that rubber traps water and causes rust at either end of the strip. Without exception. I have yet to see European stuff of any ilk that rusts like a Honda.
Back to the rest, being towed is not trivial. As far as the other stuff goes, my point is that Hondas are NOT bulletproof. My brother has spent more to maintain his Accord than his Blazer. On the subject of that Accord (63 K), its an '87. I have driven it up windy canyon roads in Utah and though it was a great handling vehicle, better than my Civic. I test drove an Accord EX a couple of weeks ago and thought it handled much worse than my Civic. I think Honda engineers have some work to do.