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Volkswagen Golf, Honda Civic, Hatchback
Jun 19, 1999 (11:10 pm)
Just discovered this site, and I feel like it was meant for me! Currently drive a (don't cringe, folks!) 1993 Ford Festiva GL (auto/air), she's a real creampuff. I really think she's done a great job, despite being a Toy Car. I've seen smaller cars in England, so I don't feel too bad. A couple of problems, mostly due to short city hops, rather than highway mileage: replaced muffler twice, entire exhaust system once, emergency brake "froze up"--once no biggie, second time major bucks because I drove it and wrecked the right rear tire (don't ask--lots of ice, thought I was dragging a chunk--d-uh!), and the odometer went on me at around 37k, had to have it replaced, $$$. However, for a $7000 car, I guess I can't complain, except for my own DUMB mistakes!
Sorry this is so long, but I am looking for a new car and I LOVE hatchbacks! Agree the demise of the Mazda 323 HB is lamentable--we went with a 1993 Escort Wagon (my husband's car, and he loves it), because the 323 was no longer available, although the two were on the same platform at the time (Mazda (323) Protege coupe was more $ than the Escort wagon!).
1) What is the new Ford Focus supposed to be?
I test-drove a 1999 Escort sedan, and no legroom, cheap interior, loud engine, but decent handling (automatic--I am NOT A REAL DRIVER!)
So, is the Ford Focus supposed to be a new hatchback, and when is it due out?
2) Bottom-line time: Price, reliability, safety, and comfort (never mind the joy-ride), I need a safe, reasonably-priced commuter car that is either a hatch or a wagon--I drive a round-trip 110 miles a day to work on a two-lane road behind tractors and tractor-trailers. I have 3 dogs I like to cart around with me, and can't take the slobber on the upholstery in a sedan! Hatch's are great for dogcrates or just keeping the happy pooches out of my hair!
I am debating the NEW Golf GLS (automatic, air, cruise, 4-door) or one of the Honda Civics (haven't really researched them yet), with the same options. By the time I add on air, auto, and cruise (if available) on the Honda Civic, isn't it going to cost me what the new Golf GLS costs now with those options, close to $18,000?
Any guidance/advice/suggestions/opinions very welcomed! Thanks for your patience on reading this overlong missive!
Jun 20, 1999 (9:51 am)
I am looking at the Golf TDI as a most reliable, great mileage vehicle to replace my Toyota standard pick-up for 40,000 miles a year duty. The Toyota, with 135,000 miles on it, is great, the last small pick-up to come out of Tora Tora Tora land. I have used Mobil One since the beginning and the current compression is better than when I purchased the truck new in 1994. The Golf diesel intrigues me for it is manufactured in Wolfsburg. What is the feel for this vehicle? Deutschland Uber Alles!
#151 of 667 Focus vs. Golf
Jun 21, 1999 (4:35 am)
There will be a hatchback Focus; also a sedan and wagon. The hatch has very distinctive, love-it-or-hate-it styling. You might get a Civic for slightly less than the Golf, but it's an older design and a much less refined car.
Jun 21, 1999 (6:48 pm)
yes, but the civic does not have any options! which makes me very sad.
#153 of 667 new purchase
Jun 22, 1999 (4:00 pm)
i just bought a 95 STD golf for 9400. It has 47000 miles and it still looks brand new. I personally thought this was a good deal but i would like to see what you guys think.
Jun 22, 1999 (7:13 pm)
Are you suggesting that the civic is a "much less" refined car than the golf? I have to vigorously disagree. The Civic is as "refined" as any of its competitors (including the Golf).
#155 of 667 New golf is far ahead of civic
Jun 25, 1999 (8:57 pm)
To see just how much more refined the golf is, take one for a test drive, and then jump back into a civic. The difference is huge. Maybe the civic compares in refinement to the a3 golf, but it's not even close when comparing it to the new golf. Drum tight body, no squeaks or groans, and an interior that is of higher class than a caddalac, or chrysler 300m.
Jun 28, 1999 (2:11 am)
Hello, I jumped over to this post from the Honda Civic Hatchback conference as the discussion here is on point to where I am now in my decision making process.
I have been in the market for a small easily parked, reliable and low maintance vehicle for a few months, I live in Queens county and would travel periodically into Manhatten to work.
The choices have been basically the Civic and possibly a "New Beetle" which is based on the golf chasis.
The Beetle: Costs more, base aprox. $15,000 and change. A true head turner even in NYC. Great head room for size, less so in back seat but I am not a livery service, I don't care. Apparently can have rear seats dropped for increased storage. The Civic in this area always amazed me, it was kind of like a circus car that held 20 clowns. I read earlier in this discussion about the rig-a-miral one has to go through in I think the Passat, removing head rests and such to accomplish the extra cargo space.Same in the Beetle? Released in '98, has there been any known defects that were addressed in '99?Improvements? Hard to get the dirty details with all off the gushy hype.Also wondered if there is anyway you can put a bike rack on the Beetle. Looked one over the other day with my girlfriend and was at a loss as to where it would fit. VW's repair history and expensive charges are a little scary.Generally recieved as a good fit and finish car. The standard engine is a 2.0 liter and the turbo, oddly, is 1.8, ABS and AC seem to be standard...pricey extras on the Civic which features a 1.6 liter engine.
Honda Civic 3Dr/Hatch: Stripped bare,$10,000, 5 sp man, no power steering, AC is around $1,000 extra and dealer installed only...a kick back to the dealers for selling a low margin car I think. Broke with tradition and extended the body style an extra year with a revamped civic in 2001. The research I have studied says that buying the last year of a body style hurts resale as the car will look dated sooner...that is a strike against it. Engine reliability is legendary, and that is the leverage that Honda seems to be using on the public.
The "tinniness" of the Civic is also a concern. I was wondering if "Isellhondas" had a comment on the cost of a comparably equipped Honda vs a base Beetle?
#157 of 667 Golf is more useful than beetle
Jun 28, 1999 (5:32 pm)
Yored, it's true that the beetle chassis is based on the golf, but why don't you just buy a golf instead? The golf has way more usefull cargo space in the back, more than the civic even, it's lighter, looks cooler, (In my opinion) and it's not an overpriced fad like the beetle. I bet you could get a new golf gl for $1000 less than the equivalant beetle. You get a better interior in the golf too, a tachometer thats full sized, unlike the beetles dinky wristwatch sized tach.
#158 of 667 Thanks Odysseus...
Jun 29, 1999 (2:59 am)
Truthfully, never even considered the Golf. Don't know why, I haven't test driven any of them, older Civics. Not the same I know. The Civic impressed me with the seat full back,my 6'2" frame didn't scream. Have not been in a Golf,a GTI....quick, nimble, tight fit. I don't know, will look it over...keep hearing tales of maintenance trouble and draconian rates charged by VW mechanical work.
Am I valid to have these concerns?