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#2320 of 3742 Timing belt strategy
Feb 08, 2005 (10:42 am)
I'm a novice when it comes to cars. I don't know anything to be honest. I would be very glad if you help me out with some pieces of advice.
Here's the story: I bought a Mazda Protege 1999 last fall. Stupid as I am I forgot to ask about if the timing belt was changed. Now the car has approx. 120000 miles. If it hasn't been changed - now it's the time. If if has been changed twice - I guess I still have to have someone check it out. Is it hard for a mechanic to find out if it is time to change it? How much is it approx. to change it? I'm about to sell the car in about four months - is it still worth the trouble? Any ideas?
Thanks in advance!
#2321 of 3742 Check your owner's manual.
Feb 08, 2005 (12:26 pm)
The recommended interval for changing the timing belt on my 2000 ES is 105,000 miles. Yep, 105K.
Mechanics really won't be able to check it because you have to basically pull everything apart to see it -- and by that time you've done all the expense (labor) of changing the belt, which is only about $50 for the part.
Keep in mind the Protege's engine is a "non-interference" engine, which means if the timing belt breaks, the engine will stop -- but valves won't slap into the pistons and total the car (like on some cars, like many Hondas). If you have AAA or a comparable driving club membership that will tow you and you don't mind the inconvenience of a sudden breakdown, go ahead and drive it until the belt breaks.
The only other alternative is to chomp the projectile and get it changed!
#2322 of 3742 Re: Check your owner's manual. [mdaffron]
Feb 08, 2005 (5:51 pm)
Actually it is easy to check the condition of the timing belt. The top half of the cover is held on with a couple of bolts. Rotate the engine with the coil wire disconnected, a little at a time check the inside face of the belt with a mechanics mirror.
A reputable garage can perform this test in about a half hour, and tell you the relative condition of the belt.
#2323 of 3742 ... but a reputable garage mechanic ...
Feb 09, 2005 (5:29 am)
... will be the first to tell you that it's hard to judge the age of a timing belt, and its internal condition, by looking at a straight length of it under tension. It's where it bends around a pulley that it shows its cracks, and since you're trying to look at it while it's installed on the car, there's no way to look at the part that's around the pulley without removing it. And I guarantee you NO reputable mechanic will give you any kind of written or unwritten warranty on how much time/mileage is left on it.
I've tried that.
#2324 of 3742 Re: Timing belt strategy [linuxius]
Feb 09, 2005 (5:41 am)
"Here's the story: I bought a Mazda Protege 1999 last fall. Stupid as I am I forgot to ask about if the timing belt was changed ... I'm about to sell the car in about four months ... Any ideas?
This may seem obvious but have you asked the seller of the car about this? Considering the cost of this service, the seller may have records or may be able to tell you. If he cannot tell you, I would think the responsible thing to do is to tell the next person purchasing your car that you do not know whether the timing belt needs to be replaced soon.
TIP: Always ask for maintenance records when purchasing a used vehicle
#2325 of 3742 Evaporative Emissions System Leak
Feb 10, 2005 (3:33 pm)
The CEL on my 1997 Mazda Protege recently went on and stayed on. My mechanic diagnozed it as an evaporative emissions system problem (the evaporated gasoline from the fuel tank is meant to be absorbed in a charcoal canister and sucked into the engine through a valve) and wants to replace the canister purge valve. He claims that this part costs $250 dollars and has an electrical component inbuilt into it. I looked at online autopart sites but cant find this part available for this year and model.
Does anyone know whether this sounds like an honest quote? Sounds like robbery to me.
#2326 of 3742 Re: Evaporative Emissions System Leak [marshall1]
Feb 11, 2005 (5:08 am)
Is this only available as an OEM part or is an aftermarket part possible?
Is the labor extra or included in your quote?
You may want a second quote from a Mazda dealership and/or another garage.
Here is something on the EVAP that I extracted from Haynes' Chilton Guide to the Protege.
Evaporative Emission Control (EVAP) system
The EVAP traps and stores fuel that evaporates from the fuel tank, throttle body and intake manifold that could escape into the atmosphere as hydrocarbon emissions. It consists of a charcoal-filled canister, the lines connecting the canister to the fuel tank, a temperature controlled vacuum valve and a check valve. Fuel vapors are transferred from the fuel tank and throttle body to a canister for storage when the engine isnít running. When the engine is running the vapors are purged from the canister by intake airflow and consumed in normal combustion. The canister is equipped with a check valve that incorporates three check balls. Based on the running conditions and the pressure in the fuel tank, the check balls open and close the passages to the vacuum valve (consequently the throttle body) and fuel tank.
#2327 of 3742 Re: Evaporative Emissions System Leak [autonomous]
Feb 11, 2005 (8:32 am)
Thanks for the tips...I'll check into it. My mechanic claims there is no aftermarket. Labor not included.
#2328 of 3742 Marshall, here's some interesting reading ...
Feb 11, 2005 (9:13 am)
Interestingly, the following article (which I found very easily by typing "canister purge valve protege" into Google) applies to the 1996-1998 Proteges:
BTW, I just called the parts department at my Mazda dealer and, playing the part of you, asked for a price on a "canister purge valve" for a 1997 Protege.
"Mazda doesn't have anything called a 'canister purge valve' on the 1997 Protege."
Ask this mechanic guy of yours for the real part name, or find another mechanic. Is this guy at a Mazda dealership, btw?
Feb 11, 2005 (9:40 am)
What did the dealers do to fix this issue? I think I have a wiring problem.
Thanks in advance.