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Mazda Protege, Sedan
Nov 13, 2003 (9:59 am)
You're exactly right, but the person responsible for maintenance was a firm believer in the "squeaky wheel" method of car maintenance. We found out that approach doesn't work when we tried a couple domestic cars.
Now I know I'm going to take some heat for this, but I think the pre-1990s Mazdas were a lot better than the current ones in terms of overall reliability. We had an '82 and a '87 626 that ran flawlessly for well over 10 years each (the '87 was even "abused" by lack of proper maintenance.) Our two 2000 Proteges have not held up as well in the first three years of ownership, Mazda has been good about changing defective parts, but we still have non-wear and tear related failures that end up being out of pocket expenses (i.e. throttle sensor, oxygen sensor, rusting steel wheels) These were not problems with the earlier models, I realise that the cars have advanced technologically over the years, but this should not overshadow overall reliability.
Although these problems bother me, I would still buy another Mazda. It just changes my perception that these cars can go "the long haul" like their predecessors did.
I'm looking forward to my Mazda3 ES.
Nov 13, 2003 (10:52 am)
There's a perception that late 80s Japanese cars were unbreakable, especially whren you considered what came out of Detroit. Not that Detroit now makes the greatest cars on Earth, but they have improved and so has everyone else.
I think today's cars need to be more babied than the ones from the late 80s partially b/c of all electronics (sensors, power acessories, etc) and the reliance on the ECU to make decisions about how the car runs...
And yes, I can't wait to get my Mazda3 GS. The GT will be the replacement for the ES.
Nov 14, 2003 (4:27 pm)
Some things can be ignored, some cannot. the pro engine, at least my "99es has plugs that lie deep in the valve covers. That bakes the plugwires every time the engine warms up. Baked wires tend to short out.
On the other hand, if you use platinum plugs, they can last a very long time.
The egr can plug up, especially if you run high octane fuel and don't use a cleaner [like techron] regularly.
Every auto has peculiarities you can learn. I kept my last car ["79 colt] 20 years and knew what it needed and didn't. It ran like a champ [a pun].
#1863 of 3742 Shake, rattle, and roll
Nov 14, 2003 (5:47 pm)
The shop found out that the fuel injector in the number 3 cylinder was bad causing all the injectors to work improperly. About $125CDN to fix.
Nov 15, 2003 (8:01 am)
Would you say that getting an extended warranty 7yrs/160.000kms for roughly $1000-1200 is worth it, based on your repair history?
#1865 of 3742 Winter starting....
Nov 16, 2003 (4:17 pm)
I have noticed my 2003 LX needing 3-4 cranks in morning in cold (and it's not that cold yet) temperature. The service guy at the dealer says it is normal during winter. Is this true? I never had this problem with Civic.
Nov 16, 2003 (4:57 pm)
Same here. Usually 2 cranks, 3 when it's really cold. Always started.
Nov 17, 2003 (6:43 am)
I've never been a fan of the extended warranty, it was a ploy by domestic manufacturers to suck a few extra $$$ out of their customers while continuing to produce a substandard product, I don't like the fact that Mazda has followed suit.
The problems that I've had should not be occurring until the five year mark. Perhaps Mazda is going the Ford route by pressuring their suppliers to cut costs which in turn produces cheaper and lower quality parts.
#1868 of 3742 Extended Warranties
Nov 17, 2003 (7:48 am)
Almost all manufacturers use this ploy including Toyota, Honda, BMW, etc. Mazda is just following industry trends. Also, they do sell rebadged Ford trucks, so it makes sense for them to offer it.
#1869 of 3742 99 LX brakes
Dec 02, 2003 (9:57 am)
My 99 LX has 52k miles and the brakes always seem to squeak. Just had new front pads and they still squeak. Anyone else had this problem. Is it the metallic pads?