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#763 of 860 Broken Timing Chain Issues-L Series 2.2 Ecotec by nd2chill Dec 03, 2006 (12:24 am)
The NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) is doing an "Engineering Action" investigation into approximately 26 complaints of broken timing chains causing engine failure. You can go to http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/recalls/recallsearch.cfm and put "EA06009" into the field for NHTSA Campaign ID Number to read the details. The "complaint" has been upgraded to an "engineering action" investigation, so if you have the same broken timing chain issue, please report it to the NHTSA so we can get Saturn (General Motors) to do something. Timing chains are not supposed to break-EVER. Thank you. Replies to this message: alcan (Dec 07, 2006 4:24 am)
#764 of 860 Inconsistent Starting by rockfish1 Dec 03, 2006 (11:34 am)
My '04 Ion2 Quad Coupe has been experiencing a no starting problem on occasion. It is not consistent enough for Saturn to diagnose it since the car starts most of the time which would leave they with just a word problem. The car eventually starts within 15 minutes. The symptom is that the key is turned on and the engine starts to crank for about a second then cuts off. This can repeated a number of times but has always started within about 15 minutes. Have not been yet able to determine any patterns that will help explain the problem to Saturn.   The battery has been replaced with a new battery with an indicator light to eliminate the easy solution.   Have any of you experienced similar problems? Replies to this message: viper_18 (Dec 03, 2006 12:02 pm) rockfish1 (Dec 03, 2006 6:25 pm) viper_18 (Dec 05, 2006 6:20 am) and 1 more...
#765 of 860 Re: Inconsistent Starting [rockfish1] by viper_18 Dec 03, 2006 (12:02 pm)
Replying to: rockfish1 (Dec 03, 2006 11:34 am) i own a 03 saturn , i had similar problems with mine. it wouldnt try to start and almost get there but it woulndt turn over. i had to wait a good 15 min and then it would start right up. i got fed up with it and took it into a saturn dealership to have it looked at. i payed $85 for a diagnostic and they said they coulndt find anything wrong with it. so i assumed it was all in my head. the same thing happend again and again so i took it back and they ended up replacing $700 worth of stuff. here was the techs comments on it " intermitt. crank no start cond. replaced ignition switch and reprogrammed pass lock sensor" i dont know if that helps but i thought it might. Replies to this message: rockfish1 (Dec 03, 2006 6:25 pm) viper_18 (Dec 05, 2006 6:20 am) rockfish1 (Dec 05, 2006 5:27 pm)
#766 of 860 SATURN ION Climate Control Lights by martian Dec 03, 2006 (3:53 pm)
Just today, I had to replace two burned-out lamp bulbs in the dashboard climate control. Why didn't SATURN use LEDS? Anyway, the lamps are soldered into the PC-so I went to Radio Shack, and bought two miniature 12 V bulbs-took the old ones out, and soldered in the new ones. MY beef-the module is all plastic, held together with plastic tabs-if you are not careful, you can break them off and render the whole assembly useless. Oh, and the board was made by HITACI-go figure!
#767 of 860 Re: Inconsistent Starting [viper_18] by rockfish1 Dec 03, 2006 (6:25 pm)
Replying to: viper_18 (Dec 03, 2006 12:02 pm) Did the repair fix the problem? I would hate to spend $700+ for replacement parts for a non fix.   Did your car fail to start for the tech? My problem is intermittent and my not occur in the shop Replies to this message: viper_18 (Dec 05, 2006 6:20 am) rockfish1 (Dec 05, 2006 5:27 pm)
#768 of 860 Re: Inconsistent Starting [rockfish1] by viper_18 Dec 05, 2006 (6:20 am)
Replying to: rockfish1 (Dec 03, 2006 6:25 pm) when i took it to the shop they couldnt replicate the problem, so i dont know what to tell you about that one...   BUT after the repairs were done i havent had trouble starting my car. its worked every time since. it seems the only problem i have now is that the security light comes on and then the service engine soon light... but ive had that happen from the begging, but i dont believe that has to do with the repairs that were made...   now if your going to do the repair i would double check with someone before hand, just to make sure that we are talking about the same things.   i really lucked out on the cost, it was a $700 + repair and i payed $7, we argued it out, i only had the car for like a month so i thought it bs that i had to pay that much. Replies to this message: rockfish1 (Dec 05, 2006 5:27 pm)
#769 of 860 Re: Inconsistent Starting [viper_18] by rockfish1 Dec 05, 2006 (5:27 pm)
Replying to: viper_18 (Dec 05, 2006 6:20 am) $7 is all you paid!!!!!!!!!!!   I would like to have a repair completed for $7.   Besides the initial cost of a repair, I am mainly concerned that since the problem may not occur in the shop I will end up with a number of parts being replaced that are not required. It could easily cost 4 figures and require multiple visits.   My car was purchased new in the summer of 2004 so I don't think I will qualify for the $7 special. What was the best point you made to win the argument with the service manager.
#770 of 860 Starting problem with 2002 Saturn LS by mzkattitude Dec 05, 2006 (5:47 pm)
Well I was finally able to take the car in to a Saturn dealer, and the problem was the BCM, which they replaced for $500. I just picked it up today, and it seems to be running fine. Hopefully it's all smooth sailing for now.
#771 of 860 Re: Erratic Fuel Gauge & Flickering Instrument Lights [user777] by lear45tech Dec 06, 2006 (9:45 am)
Replying to: user777 (Dec 01, 2006 9:47 pm) I have a manual on order, to be continued after I get it! Replies to this message: lear45tech (Dec 15, 2006 11:03 am) skipper4 (Dec 17, 2006 7:01 pm)
#772 of 860 Re: Broken Timing Chain Issues-L Series 2.2 Ecotec [nd2chill] by alcan Dec 07, 2006 (4:24 am)
Replying to: nd2chill (Dec 03, 2006 12:24 am) The problem usually isn't a broken timing chain, but broken chain guides. The guides are aluminum and are faced with nylon. The nylon falls off, allowing slack in the chain, and the chain jumps a few teeth on it's sprockets. Usually hammers the exhaust valves. Replacement chain guides have been updated.

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