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Toyota Camry, Engine, Oil
Jul 03, 2000 (11:42 am)
"My" topic made the list. I'm so proud. This is like my little baby. <<sob>>
Anyway...I have answered every question it's you who obviously in dire need of ritalin or something so you can comprehend. If all you have done is open your consumer reports and found those tired statistics you once again "need to get out more". There are more people every week coming in here saying they have had a sludged Camry just like I said there would be.
I like the fact that you have to go into an entirely different topic to find stuff to use in here. It good to know that you put this issue so high on your life's priority list even though you have claimed to be leaving three or four times now. Why don't you trot on back over to those early Leganza posts and you'll read why I'm in that forum.
As far as my "double standard" I defended Honda until we found that...here we go again...THE V6 HONDA DID HAVE A TRANSMISSION PROBLEM. Geez...You are about clueless. Like I said if you find a widespread problem with the 4 cylinder Accord tranny maybe we can debate that or maybe that there are present problems with the Accord transmission. I'll say that one more time for the slow ones out there THE V6 ACCORD DID HAVE A TRANSMISSION PROBLEM. This is starting to sound like a discussion with cyw0. Repetition,
repetition. If the Accord problem is all you have to debate with you should abide by your previous statements and be "outta here" because this is the Camry sludge topic.
Sling mud????Bash???I have not bashed the Camry...There are two presently in my family. I think it's time I restate my true assertion because the name of this topic is not what I said. It was a sarcastic statement by Cywo.
#89 of 137 What started this....
Jul 03, 2000 (12:46 pm)
Back in Camry 1 a person came in the say that has Camry had sludged and siezed. He asked is anyone had heard of Camry's sludging. My fiancee said that she had. Blah blah blah and here we are. A cut and paste from March(post 510 Camry 1)..
"I don't recall Mitsu (AcuraGrl) ever saying that the sludge problem would cause engines to fail. She only said that the engines do have a tendency to sludge. Especially after high miles. Maybe if you change your oil every 3000 miles it won't but if the manual says change it every 5000-7500 miles it should not be necessary."
I clearly said that the engines probably would not fail only that they have a tendency to sludge. As far as "most or "high percentage" that's subjective I guess so whatever.
So here we go: In my experience I have found that a high percentage of higher mileage Camry 2.2L 4 cylinder engine have sludge build-up to some extent. I suggest that anyone looking to purchase a higher mileage Camry (80,000+) check the oil cap and inner valve cover for a black substance coating the insides.
That's what I have said all along.
#90 of 137 By the way
Jul 03, 2000 (1:07 pm)
Wenyue the Leganza post 169 is from JANUARY???!!!People had recently started posting about the transmission problem. Please post in context. Also could ya quit weakening your argument by using that Honda transmission reference? You've been using it since March (post 525 Camry 1). That makes the fact that I still have to answer that same comment here in July even more ass-inine.
Liufei:Deja goes back at least a couple years. You have to refine your search options. Go back and check again. But you still aren't getting my point. I said the Camry 4 cylinder is the only engine with multiple (as in many) references to sludge. I don't mean just references I mean people who say that their engine HAS sludge. There are several here on edmunds. Heck there are 2 or three at least so far in here.
#91 of 137 fxashun and number of cases
Jul 03, 2000 (10:04 pm)
How did I weaken my statement by bring into the light how you down played the number of Accord's transmission problem while exaggerating Camry's sludge problem?
As my calculation have show, there are more reports of Accord's transission problem (about 4 times more), than Camry's sludge problem.
What I have a problem is that you (as I have quoted your own words) down played the number of Accord's transmission problem by calling them "very few". And then, turns around and called the Camry's problem "most 92+ camry". That's where I have a problem.
Can we get the numbers straight here? And use one standard? So if you called the 20+ reports of Accord's problem "very few", then anyone would reason the 5 reports of Camry's sludge problme is "even fewer". I don't see how you go from "very few" to "most". Numbers isn't biased, they are just numbers.
#92 of 137 It's just funny to see
Jul 03, 2000 (11:01 pm)
fxashun can only repost two of his five old cases from one month ago, and then try to say "I can find these all day about Camrys" like he is proud of his finding.
I'll say that again. If Camrys really have a design problem. We will easily find reports everywhere, not just that 5 cases after searching the whole net. Those (3.2 millions - 5) Camrys owners are definitely not just lucky compared to those 5 owners. And anyone with car knowledge knows that maintenance (oil/filter change) is the key factor to the sludge problem.
#93 of 137 How many times do
Jul 03, 2000 (11:02 pm)
I have to explain that.
I already did in post 13 and 21. And probably many times before that. I'm going to save myself a lot of typing by referring you to posts where I have already explained your repetitious questions. Like I've said before, you got nothing to say.
You want to talk about dodging questions though. I have a few for you.
Why is the Camry the only car with so many sludge references?
Why don't other cars have this tendency? Not even the Corrolla or older Camrys before they changed the engine.
Why do you refer all of you posts to me when there are now others who also have sludge testimonials here?
Why are there others with sludge testimonials in here if there's no problem?
Why do almost all the references say that the car was well taken care of?
Why are you still talking about the Accord transmission problem?
Why do you ask the same question over and over and over and ov.....?
Why don't you find another source of information than Consumer Reports?
And most importantly....Why are you still here? I guess you aren't leaving huh?
There's some questions for YOU to dodge there guy.
Hi there to all of you that have e-mailed me.
#94 of 137 Cyw0 I guess you forgot about to mention
Jul 03, 2000 (11:06 pm)
The people who are here on their own. Why are you also referring to me when there are what 3 or four personal testimonials. I guess they are lying or something huh?
You want to talk about funny....I think it's funny to see you ignore those posts and say that I have no more information. It's all around you if you open your eyes.
pun not intended.
#95 of 137 There were two reports of seized Camrys
Jul 03, 2000 (11:14 pm)
on Camry topic, and that's where this whole thing get started. However, only one of them is a I4, the other one is a V6. Since in the beginning of this topic, there is a Lexus ES300 owner complained about sludge, just wondering why fxashun won't go to Solara topic and ES300 topic to make the same claim, since they share the same V6 engine. Since I4 engine sells far more than V6 engine (9 v.s. 1 for Camry, probably 7 v.s. 1 after adding Solara and ES300), 1 seized V6 engine proabably weighs 7 times than 1 seized I4 engine. Just wondering what the response will be from the Solara and ES300 owners if they see fxashun's comments???
#96 of 137 I guess you are also counting 210delray
Jul 03, 2000 (11:22 pm)
However, he said his Camry does not have sludge. Just give us enough reports to back up you "most ..." statement (apparently for you 5 or 10 reports out of 3.2 million Camrys is enough for "most ...").
So are you going to continue to say "Most of 92+ Camrys have sludge problem" or not? If not, then it can be the end of discussion.
#97 of 137 Just like you guys
Jul 03, 2000 (11:28 pm)
Can't find any other engine that has the track record of the L4 in the Camry the same hold true for the V6 in the Camry. It doesn't sludge up at the rate that the Camry does. What did you expect me to say? Which goes on the question the "Camry owners are more fanatic" theory. I guess V6 Camry owners either don't care or they don't sludge. Either way that doesn't remove from the fact that the L4 has a marked tendency to sludge.
Hmm...You failed to mention those posts that are here that I referred you to. Curious. And you claim I dodge questions. Tsk.Tsk.
Here's a few for you.
Why are trying to change the subject to the V6?
When did I(as in Fxashun) say anything about the V6 referring to sludge?
Then why did you?
Why did you try to turn the lack of discussion about the V6 into an argument?
By the way if I run across enough material to warrant discussion of that V6 I'll be sure to post it.