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#1 of 137 I create this topic for isellmitsu and her fiance fxashun by cyw0

Apr 22, 2000 (9:28 am)

Why I create this topic?


isellmitsu and her fiance fxashun repeatly posts
their claim that "most post 1992 Camrys have sludge
problem and will seize" in Camry and Camry 2
topics. They have been asked many times by lots of
users in Camry topics to stop repeating the same
claim over and over and have been suggested to
create their own topic in maintenance forum, but
they won't listen and respect to most users'
opinions. Therefore, I create this topic for them
and hope they will enjoy here. Anybody interested
in this topic, please feel free to discuss it with
them. Thanks!

#2 of 137 What? Only 5 more? by cyw0

May 17, 2000 (9:43 pm)

Last time I checked, you still have 2.8799 million sludged Camrys need to find. Now almost 1 month has passed, you only give me 5 more? According to this rate, you need another 575980 months and that is 47998 years and 4 months. You two need to work harder, otherwise, I wouldn't be able to see the final report. I'll check it again next month, I hope you two work harder, OK?

#3 of 137 No I don't. by fxashun

May 18, 2000 (2:34 am)

Researchers didn't have to test every smoker to know that cigarettes cause cancer....Every Camry didn't get checked before Toyota changed the struts on the Camry. And even more pertinent all Camrys eventually seem to develop bad valve seals but I don't see a recall on those either by Toyota. Could it be because if they don't recall them, most people won't know what it is and by the time they bring it in Toyota can blame the bad valve seals on the sludge instead of the other way around.


But that's OK. It is obvious you either don't have the intelligence to see the truth or to see that my point has been proven. Either way you lose.

#4 of 137 from your own fiance by wenyue

May 18, 2000 (3:26 am)

fxashun's own fiance, isellmitsu, made the following statement. Which fxashun has repeated supported along the same line. Please stick to your own standard.


Isellmitsu, Daewoo Leganza 3, post 612.


When confronted with dozens of reports of Accord's
transmssion problem, she said:


"And I said there are bound to be a few people on
Edmunds complaining about their Accord. They sold
so many of the durn things it's not even funny.
Even if 1% of Accords sold last year alone had a
problem you are looking at 4,000 cars. If 10% of
those people know about Edmunds you are looking at
400 different people who would be on here
complaining. But I have not seen 400 different
people complaining, instead it's always the same
few people complaining about the same problem."


Please now find 3,200 reports of Camry sludge in Edmunds, the same as you have asked others to do. You are short by 3,195.

#5 of 137 by bnormann

May 18, 2000 (3:52 pm)

Calvin,


Please do not post any more comments like this:


"It is obvious you either don't have the intelligence to see... "


This does NOT conform with the guidelines for Edmunds Town Hall.


It wouldn't hurt for you to apologize to cyw0, as well.


      Your host , Bruce

#6 of 137 I don't have to find any more posts about the Camry by fxashun

May 19, 2000 (10:03 am)

The fact that there I have found posts concerning every year of the Camry since 92. they all share the same engine. There are no other cars that have such a "sludge record" as the Camry. It's obvious to anyone with a two digit IQ that the Camry has some type of problem with sludging.


Since I am not her I'm really not interested in what she posted in an entirely different forum. I am still quite amused and flattered that you would go through Edmunds and look for her posts though.


As far as an apology. Get real. If you'd read some of his posts in Camry 1,2,or 3 you'd see why I said that.

#7 of 137 Sludge in my Lexus???? by rickc5

May 19, 2000 (2:34 pm)

I bought a 1997 Lexus ES300 (same drivetrain as Camry) a couple of months ago. The car had 44K miles on it and had been regularly serviced by a Lexus dealer, with oil changes around every 4000 miles or so, according to the maintenance log.


After I drove it for a couple of weeks, and BEFORE I discovered this sludge mess on Edmunds, I changed the oil and filter. Switched to Mobil 1 synthetic, as I have had good results with Mobil 1 on previous vehicles.


Here's the interesting part: When I removed the Oil cap, lo and behold, There was some orange/brown crud that had accumulated on the underside of the cap. Having been around for a few years, I sure recognized it for what it was- SLUDGE!


My conclusion, based on this experience? I think its quite possible Toyota does have a sludge problem, but if Toyota reacts to this as they have to other problems with their vehicles, it will freeze in h*ll before they admit it! In fact, my PERSONAL experience with Toyota is that the further you go up the chain in attempting a resolution to a problem, the stronger the denial you receive. Protecting their (somewhat tarnished) sterling reputation appears to be their number one priority, not customer satisfaction.


BTW- I love the Lexus. Its what Toyotas were...

#8 of 137 rickc5 by wenyue

May 19, 2000 (3:06 pm)

Lexus ES300 is a V6. The "sludge" problem fxashun is talking about only affects the 4 cylinder engine.

#9 of 137 wenyue by rickc5

May 19, 2000 (3:54 pm)

Well, that may be true, but it doesn't change the fact that there was sludge on the underside of my oil filler cap.


Since I got into this sludge thing somewhere in the middle, I never found a specific reference to which engine was affected. Thanks for th update.

#10 of 137 Rickc5 by fxashun

May 19, 2000 (5:44 pm)

The only reason that I have not included the V6 in this discussion is that I am having it would be opening up another facet of this argument that I don't feel like debating right now. I said also that I don't have that much experience with the V6 because I was checking predominately 4 cylinders.


As you have read in my posts Toyota is refusing to fix cars that have been "sludged". I seriously doubt that the multiple reports of sludge are coincidence because there is no one engine that has accrued as many sludge reports as the 2.2L 4.


I will add however that Abarbee's engine was a V6 and it seized because of sludge(according to Toyota).


Keep us informed on what the dealer says about your sludge issue

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