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Dec 02, 2007 (11:34 am)
I read that Zaino is a "polish". Does this mean it contains abrasives? Can improper use damage your paint? I know this is basic but I've never used Zaino before and I want to be sure I can't screw it up.
#6963 of 6991 Re: Zaino no Braino [oldfarmer50]
Dec 02, 2007 (11:40 am)
Zaino contains no abrasives. Using fillers to fill the scratches as with Z5. However, they now have a product that will allow you to "buff" out light scratches in preparation for the Z5,Z6,Z2 thingy.
#6964 of 6991 Re: I hate to do this but.... [strangeman]
Dec 08, 2007 (6:03 pm)
Hope we're not too late with advice.
Even an ever-so-slightly used car will need a little polishing and paint cleaning. At a minimum I'd recommend the following:
WASH: Zaino Z7 shampoo or any other top notch auto shampoo. Meguiars and Mothers make very good products you can get at Walmart or an auto parts store.
CLAY: Even new cars can benefit from paint detailing clay. Zaino Z18 is an excellent clay bar and its super easy to use. If you've never used paint detailing clay, here is Zaino's tutorial: http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=TIPS&Store_Code=Z
POLISH: Pretty much every car needs a little polishing. If you want to keep it simple, use Zaino All In One which offers light polishing ability with some protection. If your car has more serious swirl marks, try Zaino ZPC Fusion polish. It's more aggressive than ZAIO but hardly a compound or anything that will damage your paint. On new cars usually the ZAIO is all you need.
PROTECTION: Here you have some choices depending on how much effort and money you want to expend. The simplest route is to use Zaino Clear Seal. This is a straightforward "wipe on and walk away" product. Nothing to remove, nothing to polish off, and certainly no chalky dusty residue. Clear Seal ain't cheap but it sure is easy and works great. Alternatively, you can use Zaino Z2 or Z5. Not a lot of differences between these products; Z2 leaves a very bright mirrory shine, Z5 looks a little more like a rich carnauba wax and will fill in very light paint swirls. I prefer the extra bling of Z2 but Z5 looks great. You'll be happy with either one, I'm sure.
MAINTENANCE: Taking care of all your hard detailing work ensures the shine and protection last as long as possible. Regular hand washing with Z7 is very important. Light dust, bird doo, fingerprints, etc can be safely removed with Z6 detail spray. A post-wash boost using Z8 Grand Finale will extend the life of the sealant for months and restore that just-detailed shine. Consider these products before you buy.
OTHER STUFF: Obviously car detailing encompasses a lot more than just getting the paint shiny. Wheels can be polished and protected with ZAIO and one of the sealants. You will find less build up of brake dust and the wheels will clean easier. Zaino Z16 tire gloss is one of the best I've ever used, and I've tested dozens. It's safe for tires as its water based (no silicone oily stuff) and will keep your tires nice and black for weeks. Zaino leather care products, Z9 and Z10, are fantastic. Mild, safe and effective, they can be used often and do not leave a slippery, shiny residue like a lot of store bought leather care products.
Finally, regardless of what products you buy, I highly recommend investing in microfiber towels for polishing and cleaning. If you've never used microfiber, you have no idea how much they've revolutionized car detailing. If you want to dabble in them, check out the Vroom line of products at Target. If you want to jump in with both feet, check out PakShak (http://www.pakshak.com/) for probably the best towels you can buy and top notch customer service.
This should get you started. Feel free to ask questions. We'll keep a closer eye on this place.
#6965 of 6991 NEW Car - Need advice on Black!
Apr 11, 2008 (9:19 pm)
I just bought a new Altima - Black. I also have a black frontier 06. The 06 was purchased during the winter months and washed using the two bucket method but has considerable swirls when out in the light.
The Altima is brand new, under 100 miles on it, but driven several times in the rain then rinsed (while it was raining). This weekend is out, it is going to rain all weekend.
I am very paranoid to wash this car as I do not want to inflict damage however it will be necessary. Before I do though I need advice as to where to start.
Question: What should one do FIRST when they buy a new car? It is going to need washed, so I want to know the best method...even the craziest sounding if need be, to ensure I do the best not to create swirls. Then I want to protect it from further issues and protect it properly with the right products.
I have an idea what I need to do with my truck to restore it's finish. It's really not that bad but getting there quick. Even using the two bucket method, I have significant marks. I also have about 6 VERY small hardly noticeable dings in the hood from 1. thin nissan metal and 2. cinders from a 1980s cavalier that HAD to pass me on a mountain pass, almost killed himself and of course blew cinders all over my car and even put many little indentations into my front grill plastics. I hope he would swerve off but alas, I'm pretty sure this guy is still terrorizing people on the streets.
Also, why is there a thread that says NO ZAINO talk? Is Zaino good for some and bad to others?
LAST - I do not want to do ANYTHING that will remove layers of clear coat. My neighbor a detailer, swore by certain products for his Honda, he would use different things several times a year until one year he was in a panic because he apparently finally cut through totally into his paint from removing too much clearcoat. I DEFINITELY do NOT want to get into this with the new car, but might be willing to do it with my truck then do some method to protect it from there in and just be careful. Might even switch to the 3 bucket method.
Thank you very much!
(as per mr. shiftright, I'm posting in here from answers/ask)
#6966 of 6991 Re: NEW Car - Need advice on Black! [sincraft]
Apr 11, 2008 (10:28 pm)
Welcome sincraft. If you noticed the post previous to yours bret did a pretty good job summarizing the Zaino procedure.
There is one thing to note though as Z5 will fill in minor swirls, if it was left by the dealer or someone else washing the car like a car wash you may have no choice but to remove a light layer of clearcoat. From what you've described of your neighbor it took many times before he cut through the clearcoat as most car manufacturers actually put on a pretty thick coat of clear.
As to the two topics for Zaino and no Zaino that goes back awhile. It's more like enthusiasts vs. nonenthusiasts. Some don't really care if they have scratches and swirls and some do. The inital procedure with Zaino takes some time but the rewards are there.
Most Zaino enthusiasts will tell the dealer not to prep the outside of the car as they do far more damage then good as you can imagine what type of people will actually clean your car using things I wouldn't use to clean the doghouse.
One thing for sure with those black vehicles with scratches already installed you're going to need a Porter Cable 7424 polisher. No two ways about that.
There are a lot of enthusiasts here and can help with any questions you may have. So post away.
#6967 of 6991 Re: NEW Car - Need advice on Black! [obyone]
Apr 12, 2008 (6:23 am)
My brother has a cyclo buffer and said Zaino was a good brand too. He polishes aircraft that are much older than cars and worth 40 times at the very least. Must be good stuff right.
That said, I think I am going to forgo cutting into the clearcoat on the Altima and would love advice on how to properly prep it for a sealer/finishing agent. I really don't want my first shot using these products and a buffer, not to mention cutting into a clearcoat to be on a brand new car. I will live with the very minor swirls that are on there now. The dealership did a FAR better job cleaning the car that most did.
Funny I thought I was going crazy until I came here. The dealers looked at me like I was crazy when I was inspecting the car on my hands and knees with my face 6" from the paint.
Then there is your comment about the dealers method of washing cars. Can I use that? My thing was to try to convey the thoughts of a nose ringed kid with purple hair, holding his pants up with his left hand while picking up the wash rag he has been using all day off the gritting sandy ground to wash the cars with.
I watched them washing cars outside one day while I was eating fast food across teh street. I think the one guy honestly dropped the wash rag off his hand 2 times for every car. They went down the line with a hose, 3 towels, a bucket and a bottle of soap. They must have done 6 or 7 cars in the time I was watching! :O
So I guess I'm going to have to wait for my products to arrive as there are no good products available local? I know they have 'some' megiuers at the advance auto down the street but not sure what they have. If I remember correctly, I had to hit like 7 stores to find pure carnuba from mothers, which I think I found at walmart - not any autoparts stores. Pretty sad eh?
Any merit to these towels they sell on there too? I have some really nice BIG microfiber towels that are nice and thick that I picked up from Target of all places.
#6968 of 6991 What I use in the interim when waiting for Zaino
Apr 12, 2008 (10:54 am)
is Meguiars Gold car wash. Since you will be removing ALL the wax from the car to prep for Zaino, I don't see any reason to purchase any more carnuba products.
While the Porter Cable will cut some clear coat, depending on what you use and which pad, it could be also used for cleaning the paint. That being said I won't mention it again.
If you check the Zaino site, there should be a link to local distributors. Lucky for me one lives about 5 minutes away. If not ordering online will get you your products in a couple of days.
Did you have a chance to look over the product list at Zaino.com? I wouldn't order all of them at the beginning as you said the car has a 100 miles on it shouldn't be too bad.
#6969 of 6991 Re: What I use in the interim when waiting for Zaino [obyone]
Apr 12, 2008 (3:10 pm)
God I hope they get new forums for edmunds.
Anyway - no I have two cars that need the 'stuff'. The Frontier has alot of swirling etc.
And yes I had a chance to look at the Zaino products. I ran out the door this afternoon and am going to revisit the site and possibly order now. Not a big fan on being dependent on an online resource however.
We were in the shopping mall today, they actually opened a small new car store. The products were the same ole same old you would find at advance, no buffers, really nothing of quality in there. It's par for the course of what to expect around here.
What about the ULTIMATE kit by Zaino? I see people recommending a clay bar for brand new cars? Why? I told a guy I knew that was into fine detailing about that and he said that there are too many people quick to ruin their paint but didn't give really good answer...
#6970 of 6991 Re: What I use in the interim when waiting for Zaino [obyone]
Apr 12, 2008 (3:46 pm)
Wow I didn't know that about Carnuba btw...not to double post here but check this out!
Kinda makes it seem senseless to use Zaino when Megieurs (sp?) is locally available?
This guy didn't test any cutting or 'true' swirl removal, only the base polish and protect products. So maybe this is where they shine?
#6971 of 6991 Re: What I use in the interim when waiting for Zaino [sincraft]
Apr 13, 2008 (10:18 am)
I've read that review before. On my Red Titan I use Meguiars NXT which is polymer based and I'm quite satisfied with it.
That being said I am not a Zaino zealot, not close by any means. However with black paint you will not find anything better in terms of longevity, reflectivity, and that wetness look. Course I'm anal and I removed all the scratches from all the vehicles prior to starting with Zaino. I truely believe that you simply can't fill scratches with either Meguiars or with Zaino. It just simply doesn't work.
Secondly, I don't use the absorber or microfiber to dry my vehicles, rather an electric 230 mph blower which dries the car really fast and causes no abrasion with the vehicle being "wiped" dry.
You will find a Zaino topic on almost all the enthusiasts boards including Viper, Corvette, even LS1.com. That many enthusiasts can't be wrong.
Since Zaino has been around for awhile, I've been using it since 2000 there are many, many postings on how to use and what to buy. This post is one of the best I've seen.
If I was that Porche owner I would have removed those swirls before using Zaino vs. Meguiars and get a true look at what it should be and not try to bypass a step by using scratch fillers. Course to each their own.