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#22482 of 22586 Re: Autoblog's take [ateixeira]
Jan 25, 2013 (6:07 pm)
What we need is a serious eval of X-Drive. I bet they all have the same VDC AWD that starts 60/40 and varies from there.
#22483 of 22586 Re: 2014 Forester embargo ends! [bpizzuti]
Jan 26, 2013 (4:21 am)
I think it's a fair question actually, which would sell better? Limited has more stuff, but Premium can be had for cheaper, which means more people can opt for a turbo model.
The choices are Premium or Touring. The problem is that Premium can not be ordered with the heated seats, mirrors and windshield; that is a huge deterrent to ordering the Premium model here in Chicago.
The Touring model probably is more profitable and sales of the turbo may need to be limited because of Corporate Average Fuel Economy requirements.
If the new XT is as sluggish off the line as one review suggests, the demand may not be great.
#22484 of 22586 Re: 2014 Forester embargo ends! [saedave]
Jan 26, 2013 (5:39 am)
FWIW the turbo take rate in Japan was higher than expected, same for Eyesight. A lot higher.
#22485 of 22586 Re: 2014 Forester embargo ends! [ateixeira]
Jan 26, 2013 (6:35 am)
The home market version of the turbo may be tuned differently; I believe the output is higher. It may NOT be sluggish off the line.
#22486 of 22586 Re: 2014 Forester embargo ends! [saedave]
Jan 26, 2013 (7:19 am)
The question was regarding Subaru's choice of selling a Premium XT rather than a Limited XT. Your point regarding the all weather package is a good one and is giving me pause too. I but 5k is too much to pay to get it, so I may ask the dealer of we can rig up heated mirrors and windshield somehow.
#22487 of 22586 Re: 2014 Forester embargo ends! [bpizzuti]
Jan 26, 2013 (7:40 am)
Your point regarding the all weather package is a good one and is giving me pause too. I but 5k is too much to pay to get it, so I may ask the dealer of we can rig up heated mirrors and windshield somehow.
Installing the heat-wire-embedded windshield is possible but not practical unless the associated wiring is already in place on all models OR the wiring is a small separate harness. The labor involved would seem to be excessive (not the windshield replacement itself that is commonly done on the street by glass companies). The heated side mirror assemblies are probably available, but again the harness is the problem.
Does anyone know whether the harness is common on all models with and without the all weather package?
#22488 of 22586 Re: 2014 Forester embargo ends! [saedave]
Jan 26, 2013 (9:52 am)
They do sell adhesive heating elements that you can wire up and attach to windshields, and I figure one could be attached to the back of a rear-view mirror as well. I just wonder how much it would cost to do the associated labor.
It would be easier if I could just spend an extra $5k and get the Touring, but that's a lot for that stuff, and I'm not sure I want leather or the power liftgate at all. Wouldn't mind the keyless entry or the HIDs, but that's another $2400 over and above the $5k to get to the Touring.
Subaru's option packaging has always been annoying...
Jan 26, 2013 (11:51 am)
Popular Mechanics got a little deeper into X-drive mode:
Tech Tidbit: X-Mode is a clever take on typical off-road programming, and encompasses a lot more variables you'll engage on washboard dirt roads. First, the CVT holds a low gear ratio longer, essentially simulating first gear as long as the going is slow, and throttle tip-in is muted, enabling more nuanced control on our test drive along desert back roads outside Tucson, Ariz. Second, the default on-demand front/rear AWD power distribution is recalibrated to something closer to a simulation of a completely locked 4x4, and the traction control fights wheelspin more aggressively. Third, there's an auto hill-descent program that engages as long as the vehicle is in X-Mode.
Read more: 2014 Subaru Forester Test Drive - Popular Mechanics
#22491 of 22586 Re: 2014 Forester embargo ends! [bpizzuti]
Jan 26, 2013 (5:49 pm)
""Subaru's option packaging has always been annoying...""
I share your frustration - With an top MSRP of 36K+ for the XT limited you get no power, lumbar, and height adjustment for the passenger seat!!!
It's only 4 way power in the Outback. Heated and power passenger seats should be included across the line.
I've leased 2 Tribecas and currently an Outback - leased because the cars are de-contented here in the USA. I think they do this to keep the prices competitive.
My 2 cents