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Re: AWD and Subaru [robr2] by ateixeira
Oct 13, 2009 (11:29 am)
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Replying to: robr2 (Oct 13, 2009 11:24 am)

I'm trying to think - have they used RT4WD on that platform? They would give it the CrossTour's powertrain, me thinks.
 
Honda is streamlining the lineupe, e.g. the manual is gone from the CR-V. I don't see them adding an AWD Accord.
 
Look at the price of a TL-S.
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Re: AWD and Subaru [robr2] by xwesx
Oct 13, 2009 (11:30 am)
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Replying to: robr2 (Oct 13, 2009 9:53 am)

I see the merit in your concerns. If competitors' AWD becomes more price and quality competitive with Subaru, there is certainly a reason for concern. However, to get AWD in any other model on which it is optional, the buyer is suddenly paying a fairly hefty premium not only due to the AWD itself, but the fact that it tends to be reserved for only the high-end of the lineup.
 
For example, my wife and I may have considered a Sienna van when replacing our Caravan had we been able to get the AWD option on a sub-$30K van. As it was, I didn't even mention it to her as a possibility.
 
We lost a ton of space going to the Forester, but we got a great car.
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Re: AWD and Subaru [robr2] by rsholland
Oct 13, 2009 (11:51 am)
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Replying to: robr2 (Oct 13, 2009 9:53 am)

I would be surprised—no shocked—if other camakers offer AWD across the board, on all their models. So yeah, Ford, etc. offers AWD on various models—but certainly not their bottom-feeder models aimed at the budget buyer. There's Subaru's edge. Plus the Subie AWD systems are better than most offered out there.
 
Bob
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Re: AWD and Subaru [ateixeira] by robr2
Oct 13, 2009 (12:44 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 13, 2009 11:29 am)

Since the Crosstour is on that platform and is available in AWD, why couldn't it be extended across the Accord line?
 
I don't know if the Crosstour is SH-AWD or Real Time 4WD. I would presume it is the latter as SH-AWD (or that marketing term) is supposed to be Acura only.
 
As for pricing - the TL-S is that expensive not only due to the SH-AWD but it's also Acura's halo model.
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Re: AWD and Subaru [rsholland] by robr2
Oct 13, 2009 (12:48 pm)
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Replying to: rsholland (Oct 13, 2009 11:51 am)

I would be surprised—no shocked—if other camakers offer AWD across the board, on all their models.
 
I'd be shocked as well because most manufacturers don't have to offer AWD across the board. Their vehicles sell without it. Subaru couldn't and I think we all agree on that.
 
Plus the Subie AWD systems are better than most offered out there.
 
And I think we beaten this horse to death too many times. I'm of the opinion that very few buyers even care that Subie's is better or different. All they care about is AWD - no matter who offers it or how it works.
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Re: AWD and Subaru [robr2] by rsholland
Oct 13, 2009 (1:13 pm)
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Replying to: robr2 (Oct 13, 2009 12:44 pm)

Since the Crosstour is on that platform and is available in AWD, why couldn't it be extended across the Accord line?
 
Marketing. I'm pretty certain that Honda will be making Acuras AWD, across the board at some point. Doing that with the Accord would cut into Acura's pie.
 
Yeah, they certainly could do it, but I doubt they will.
 
Bob
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Another variation on the grille theme by rsholland
Oct 13, 2009 (1:53 pm)
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http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/13/r...-version-of-s/
 
A neo-SVX based off the the Hybrid Tourer Concept? Maybe, according to UK site AutoExpress.
 
BTW, I see a bit of Chevy (but in a good way) in the grille shown here.
 
Bob
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Re: AWD and Subaru [rsholland] by robr2
Oct 13, 2009 (1:57 pm)
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Replying to: rsholland (Oct 13, 2009 1:13 pm)

Marketing. I'm pretty certain that Honda will be making Acuras AWD, across the board at some point. Doing that with the Accord would cut into Acura's pie.
 
Good point.
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Re: AWD and Subaru [robr2] by ateixeira
Oct 14, 2009 (7:48 am)
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Replying to: robr2 (Oct 13, 2009 12:44 pm)

What I meant is that the Type S costs a lot more than the regular TL does.
 
SH-AWD is expensive. Originally it had a carbon fiber driveshaft in the RL model, but to get it to the RD-X' price level they had to replace that with a steel unit.
 
So they're cutting costs even at the $30 grand price level.
 
Didn't they just announce a FWD RD-X?
 
Clearly Honda is struggling with the cost of that system.
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Re: AWD and Subaru [ateixeira] by robr2
Oct 14, 2009 (8:24 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 14, 2009 7:48 am)

The overall adder for the SH_AWD model on the TL is $3500 but it includes the 3.7L engine (25 more HP), the 18" rims, hill control and the upgraded interior. I'm sure the majority of the cost is the AWD but it's not the entire upgrade.
 
Actually, we have no idea what the cost really is. For all we know, Honda might be making a huge profit on the SH-AWD.
 
You can a pretty good idea as the adder is $2000 on the RDX and that's the only item added.

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