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of course by nippononly
Oct 07, 2009 (12:33 pm)
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I have driven cars without power steering, and in small cars like the Corollas and early Miatas I had back then and as small as this joint venture coupe will be, it is worth much much less fuss than what is being made of it here. Certainly parallel parking was plenty easy, and it wasn't six turns lock to lock or anything.
 
Indeed, Lotus still lacks power steering now. The new joint venture coupe will only weigh about 700 pounds more than the Lotus, and will also be RWD.
 
aaykay: yeah sorry, with my "low complexity" comment I was referring to the VCD in the non-STi Imprezas. That and a limited slip at the back are all I expect the new coupe to have.
 
As for Subaru using Toyota gizmos like laser cruise control, I'm SURE Toyota will not offer such things in the base model of their car. I would love to see some of that stuff make it into the Subaru version....Subaru has a very different (and much better) idea of what constitutes a "base model". In a Toyota you are lucky to get four wheels and an engine in the base model.
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Two Wheel Drive [ateixeira] by moparbad
Oct 07, 2009 (5:59 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 07, 2009 6:45 am)

Subaru has a heritage of two wheel drive cars. Was the Subaru 360 AWD? Nope.
 
And as Bob said, you drop AWD and suddenly it loses the Subaru DNA.
 
There is just as much two wheel drive in Subaru DNA as there is AWD.
 
I would be happy to see Subaru offer RWD and FWD in addition to it's AWD offerings.
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Re: Two Wheel Drive [moparbad] by rsholland
Oct 08, 2009 (4:08 am)
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Replying to: moparbad (Oct 07, 2009 5:59 pm)

That's like saying there's a lot of 2-stroke DNA in Saab. Would you want to see Saab once again offer 2-strokes?
 
Yes, Subaru offers a few—very few!—bottom-feeder FWD models in a few select markets.
 
Subaru started offering 4WD cars back in the early '70s. Since around 1996 or so, every Subaru sold in North America, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Africa, etc., have been AWD. Yes, I know in Japan and southeast Asia, they offer a FWD Impreza; and that the Justy is sold in Europe as FWD-only; and that their micro cars/trucks sold in Japan offer both FWD and AWD versions. Even so, 99% of Subarus sold in the world today are AWD. That's what the brand is known for. AWD. Period.
 
Bob
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Re: of course [nippononly] by ateixeira
Oct 08, 2009 (7:55 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 07, 2009 12:33 pm)

In college I went shopping for a Tercel and I recall it didn't come with a passenger side mirror. Seats were vinyl and it had 4 on the floor! Late 1980s!
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Re: of course [ateixeira] by oregonboy
Oct 08, 2009 (9:53 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 08, 2009 7:55 am)

My 1984 Accord LX didn't have a passenger side mirror either!
 
(nor did my 1967 BMW 1600)
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Re: of course [oregonboy] by ateixeira
Oct 08, 2009 (9:59 am)
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Replying to: oregonboy (Oct 08, 2009 9:53 am)

No wonder those were so reliable - there was nothing on those to break!
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Re: of course [ateixeira] by volkov
Oct 08, 2009 (10:55 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 08, 2009 7:55 am)

OMG, you are one of the last guys I'd expect to have taken a Tercel over a Civic. I bought in 89. Test drove the Tercel first and then 30 seconds into the Civic drive my mother in the front seat said, "Well I know which one you want." For the record, they lent me the money to buy it. Dra bought the Tercel without driving anything else because "her family bought Toyotas" - you know what I mean. They were priced almost identically, but there was no comparison in driving feel or style.
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Re: of course [volkov] by lucien2
Oct 08, 2009 (6:00 pm)
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Replying to: volkov (Oct 08, 2009 10:55 am)

that would expain why I'm looking forward to getting out of the Camry and into a Fit, then...
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Re: Two Wheel Drive [rsholland] by moparbad
Oct 08, 2009 (8:05 pm)
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Replying to: rsholland (Oct 08, 2009 4:08 am)

Even so, 99% of Subarus sold in the world today are AWD. That's what the brand is known for. AWD. Period.
  
Bob

 
Failure to expand beyond AWD may lead to the demise of Subaru.
 
Until recently Subaru was known only for it's gasoline engines. Now they offer diesel. Very nice to see that Subaru went beyond it's gasoline "DNA" to evolve a diesel engine.
 
I'm not saying Subaru should abandon their signature AWD, just that Subaru can sell more vehicles by offering non-AWD versions that are less expensive and more energy efficient.
 
In 1996 AWD was niche, now that niche has a heck of a lot of competition. AWD is not the exclusive club it once was.
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Re: Two Wheel Drive [moparbad] by oregonboy
Oct 08, 2009 (10:00 pm)
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Replying to: moparbad (Oct 08, 2009 8:05 pm)

Well said

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