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Re: Cars 101 is reporting... [rsholland] by wmarton64
Jun 14, 2009 (9:38 am)
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Replying to: rsholland (Apr 18, 2009 4:29 pm)

It really doesn't matter anyway because the third row in the Tribeca is useless...and this is coming from one of their sales persons who was showing me the seven seat model last Friday. When I asked about the seven passenger Tribeca, the first thing he asked was "How old are your kids?" As soon as I said pre-teens, he said that the Tribeca would be too small and after sitting in it with my 11-year old, he is absolutely right. I really wanted to stay in the Subaru family, but they really don't have a vehicle that can carry five+ people comfortably. Without a significant re-design that adds a couple of inches to the wheelbase and a bit more interior room, the Tribeca will probably end up being discontinued. To give you an idea of how the Tribeca stacks up against the competition, he is a comparison with the Toyota Highlander's specs (Tribeca is listed first followed by the Highlander):
 
Length: 191.5" vs. 188.4"
Width: 73.9" vs 75.2"
Height: 66.4" vs 69.3"
Wheelbase: 108.2" vs 109.8"
 
Rear Hip Room: 54.6" vs. 56.5"
Rear Shoulder Room: 57.5" vs 59.5"
Rear Headroom: 38.2" vs 40.1"
Rear Legroom: 34.3" vs 38.3"
 
The Tribeca is actually a pretty long vehicle (it's even longer than a Honda Pilot), but has a shorter wheelbase than its competition and is not as wide. That has absoultely killed it in the marketplace vis-a-vis its main rivals and even against other vehicles in the Subaru family.
 
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Re: Cars 101 is reporting... [wmarton64] by ateixeira
Jun 15, 2009 (11:27 am)
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Replying to: wmarton64 (Jun 14, 2009 9:38 am)

Plus they went small just as the market was upsizing, so it seems even smaller.
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Re: Cars 101 is reporting... [ateixeira] by toboggan
Jun 20, 2009 (4:45 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jun 15, 2009 11:27 am)

Have the 7 passenger model. The 6 and 7 year old grand kids still fit. The Tribeca should have at least a 2" wheelbase extension with a 20 gallon gas tank. We "run it" as a 5 passenger 99% of the time. But sure like the car otherwise.
 
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Re: Cars 101 is reporting... [toboggan] by ateixeira
Jun 22, 2009 (11:37 am)
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Replying to: toboggan (Jun 20, 2009 4:45 am)

Bingo, and the gas tank is a biggie for someone like me.
 
I think it's ridiculous that the Forester has the same size gas tank as the Tribeca, seriously, why is that?
 
My minivan has a 21 gallon tank and I don't worry about gas until 400+ miles. That's how it should be.
 
With 16.9 gallons, the low fuel light comes on with 2.3 gallons left, so that's only 14.6 gallons in normal use. In city driving you may need to get gas every 250 miles.
 
Far too often.
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Re: Cars 101 is reporting... [ateixeira] by toboggan
Jul 07, 2009 (6:45 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jun 22, 2009 11:37 am)

Yup, have to fill the tank about every 250 miles over all.
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Re: Cars 101 is reporting... [ateixeira] by saedave
Jul 07, 2009 (10:26 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jun 22, 2009 11:37 am)

I think it's ridiculous that the Forester has the same size gas tank as the Tribeca, seriously, why is that?
 
The Tribeca is a slightly stretched Legacy/Outback with minimal changes to the basic chassis. Hence the same gas tank. Starting over was the only way to remedy the problem. I doubt that the Tribeca will continue very long now that there is a new larger Outback.
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Re: Cars 101 is reporting... [saedave] by dino001
Jul 07, 2009 (1:08 pm)
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Replying to: saedave (Jul 07, 2009 10:26 am)

Remember Forester is based on Impreza, not Legacy - but it doesn't matter because Impreza's tank is the same as Legacy's (so it seems). Looks like Legacy's (the old one) tank is simply too small for the car's size and mileage - especially considering thirsty GT trims.
 
I have same problem with my STI. It's not gas mileage that bothers me, it is the range between gas stations that trully sucks.
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Re: Cars 101 is reporting... [dino001] by saedave
Jul 07, 2009 (1:28 pm)
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Replying to: dino001 (Jul 07, 2009 1:08 pm)

It's not gas mileage that bothers me, it is the range between gas stations that trully sucks.
 
And of course it is the same problem with my 2005 3.0R Outback. But I'm not going to even look at a new one with a bigger tank since mine now has all of 18,000miles.
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Re: Cars 101 is reporting... [saedave] by wmarton64
Jul 12, 2009 (8:01 am)
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Replying to: saedave (Jul 07, 2009 10:26 am)

The Tribeca is a slightly stretched Legacy/Outback with minimal changes to the basic chassis. Hence the same gas tank. Starting over was the only way to remedy the problem. I doubt that the Tribeca will continue very long now that there is a new larger Outback.
 
I think that it would be a mistake for Subaru to give up on a true 5+ person hauler. Last year, the new Forester cannibalized Outback sales. With the larger Outback, the Tribeca is indeed doomed, but Subaru would still lack a 5+ person hauler if they totally drop the Tribeca concept. Subaru needs to offer families something larger to totally keep them in the Subaru fold, otherwise, it's off to Minivan land for families that need a larger vehicle. A stretched Outback based on the Forester design (i.e., taller and boxier) could be a worthy competitor to the Honda Pilots, Highlanders, etc. of the world.
 
wilbur
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Re: Cars 101 is reporting... [wmarton64] by rsholland
Jul 12, 2009 (9:31 am)
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Replying to: wmarton64 (Jul 12, 2009 8:01 am)

What if...
 
What if the vehicle that replaces the current Tribeca (assuming there will be one) were to be a long-wheelbase (~ 113-115") Outback variant, with 3-row seating? I think the larger and taller body style of the new Outback would lend itself to such a conversion. Think Chevy Tahoe/Suburban type of relationship, but smaller of course. Maybe call it the Maxback.
 
Possibly even add two small rear-opening doors like those found on extended cab pickups (to make it a 6-door vehicle) in order to help access the third-row seats? I would also use the larger 18" wheels found on the Tribeca, but shod with 245/65 tires.
 
From a production standpoint it would certainly make sense, as most of the Outback's parts would be shared. That can't be said of the current Tribeca. Unlike the JDM Forester-based 7-passenger Exiga, it could easily be built in Indiana.
 
If such a vehicle were to be built, it could also serve as the basis for a larger next-gen Baja, if Subaru should decide to re-enter that market (which I hope they do).
 
Bob

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