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Re: 5 seat Tribeca vs. Outback 2010 [volkov]
by lucien2
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Apr 16, 2009 (6:11 am)
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Replying to: volkov (Apr 15, 2009 10:59 am)
choices for folks who like sporting wagons but insist on manuals become scarcer every model year. Down to BMW, Audi, and VW essentially. And the sticker price/cost of ownership on at least the first two rule them out for many of us. It's forcing me into a smaller car than I'd really like next time. The short list of short cars is likely to be Impreza wagon (AWD, Subaru, but becoming a more sedate drive as it matures), Mazda3 wagon (versatile, a good drive, stylish), and Clubman. the Clubbie is there because, although it is quite small, it enjoys a formidable efficiency advantage over the other two. And it's a hoot, as is, right out of the box, no assembly required.
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Re: 5 seat Tribeca vs. Outback 2010 [lucien2]
by rsholland
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Apr 16, 2009 (8:55 am)
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Replying to: lucien2 (Apr 16, 2009 6:11 am)
Don't forget the 2010 Outback 2.5i Base and Premium, which come with a (new) 6-speed manual. Granted, it may not fill the "sporty" bill as well as some of the others you mentioned.
Bob
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Re: 5 seat Tribeca vs. Outback 2010 [lucien2]
by ateixeira
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Apr 16, 2009 (11:09 am)
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Replying to: lucien2 (Apr 16, 2009 6:11 am)
I'd add the WRX, too. It probably doesn't cost any more than a Clubman S.
Tell you what - when I bought the Miata, I found MazdaSpeed3 models for $20.9k, brand new. That's tempting. The new 3 is overdone, so I kinda like the old one better.
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Re: 5 seat Tribeca vs. Outback 2010 [ateixeira]
by lucien2
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Apr 16, 2009 (5:13 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 16, 2009 11:09 am)
agreed; but I think the new one may be a better drive. I haven't read anything that says it's lost its edge. WRX combined mileage is only 1mpg worse than the Impreza, so yea, i guess I'd put it on the list; it certainly would vault to the top of the fun-to-drive list, but still really suffers on economy. Can that really be attributed solely to AWD? Or is Subaru behind on engine management? The clubbie would be NA, so it too would fall in the 21k range, and absolutely kills the others on economy.
I think the new OB is going to be too much for us, in terms of price, weight, and...well, bigness. We shall see.
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Re: 5 seat Tribeca vs. Outback 2010 [lucien2]
by rsholland
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Apr 16, 2009 (5:30 pm)
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Replying to: lucien2 (Apr 16, 2009 5:13 pm)
I think a base Outback might be less expensive than you think. They did remove some items to get the MSRP down.
Bob
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Still nothing
by dino001
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Apr 17, 2009 (4:20 am)
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Sorry, but non of those would be even close to what I'm looking for  .
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Re: 5 seat Tribeca vs. Outback 2010 [lucien2]
by volkov
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Apr 17, 2009 (8:45 am)
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Replying to: lucien2 (Apr 16, 2009 5:13 pm)
I've rambled on before about concerns wrt Subie fuel economy. I think the difference really is AWD which takes a 1-2mpg compared to FWD. If you compare FE of a n/a Impreza with the AWD Matrix for example, it's a dead heat, and the Matrix feels smaller in the back seat. The FWD jetta wagon is comparable in size but only gets the same city FE. It does better on the highway, likely due to the 6th gear and the fact that highway mileage tends to hurt more with the AWD.
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Cars 101 is reporting...
by rsholland
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Apr 18, 2009 (4:29 pm)
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...that all 2010 Tribecas will be 7-passenger models. I thought this might happen with the roomier 2010 Outback.
http://www.cars101.com/
Bob
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Re: Cars 101 is reporting... [rsholland]
by movedor
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Apr 18, 2009 (8:31 pm)
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Replying to: rsholland (Apr 18, 2009 4:29 pm)
I think that is a sign Tribeca will survive at least one more year... 
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Re: 5 seat Tribeca vs. Outback 2010 [lucien2]
by ateixeira
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Apr 21, 2009 (10:28 am)
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Replying to: lucien2 (Apr 16, 2009 5:13 pm)
The new Outback is actually a tad shorter than the outgoing one. Wheelbase is longer, but overall length is down.
It is wider and taller, though.
The Clubman is interesting but a few turn-offs for me:
* it's pricey ($$)
* options are even more pricey ($$$)
* I don't like center-mounted gauges, and you have get GPS to move it ($$$$)
* even the base model wants premium fuel
I actually thought about a Cooper convertible but an S was in a whole other price league compared to the Miata, especially the new one.
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