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Replying to: jay_24 (Apr 10, 2009 7:16 am) >>> I have a Thule carrier that I use on my 2001 Outback. I have to re-position the roof rails in order to get it to fit; otherwise, I can't open the rear hatch. If you can't adjust the roof rails on the new Outback, this would be a major oversight by Subaru. "Adding less than 1.5" to the rear seat width isn't going to help my three kids. The Venza is another maybe 3 or 4 inches wider. The leg room will help!" >>> Here are the dimensions (in inches and pounds; exterior first then interior ) of the current Subaru SUV/CUV model's: 2009 Forester 2.5 XT Ltd. 179.5(l) X 70.1 (w) X 66.9 (h) 103 (wheelbase) 3440 (wgt.) 40/37.7 (headroom) 43.1/38 (legroom f&r) 56.1/55.6 (sh.room f&r) 2009 Outback 3.0R Ltd. 189(l) X 69.7 (w) X 63.2 (h) 105.1 (wheelbase) 3631 (wgt.) 38.7/37.1 (headroom) 44.1/33.9 (legroom f&r) 54.4/53.7 (sh.room f&r) 2009 Tribeca Limited 191.5(l) X 88.8 (w) X 67.7 (h) 108.2 (wheelbase) 4140 (wgt.) 38.9/38.2 (headroom) 43.3/34.3 (legroom f&r) 58.1/57.5 (sh.room f&r) 2010 Outback 188.2(l) X 71.7 (w) X 65.7 (h) 107.9 (wheelbase) ? (wgt.) ~39?/~38? (headroom) ~45?/37.8 (legroom f&r) 56.3/56.1 (sh.room f&r) I don't understand why they didn't increase the length and width on the new Outback by an inch or two...to something more like the Tribeca. As you noted, this is fundamentally still a four person vehicle. The Tribeca, which has been a complete failure in the marketplace, is really a five person vehicle because the third row is ridiculously small. I think that it would make more sense to have a five-person Outabck and a 6+ person Tribeca. The problem is that the new Outback is still too narrow and the current Tribeca too short. If Subaru discontinues the Tribeca (not an unreasonable proposition given that they only sold 11,000 last year and they are selling only about 500/month this year), then the Outback would be Subaru's largest vehicle, but only have a four-person real life capacity. Here are my thoughts on other aspects of the Outback redesign: the exterior is ok; better than the 2010 Legacy (very vanilla), but not as nice as the current Forester. I am not a big fan of the faux metal fog light housings and skid plate/fascia, but I'll reserve judgment until I see the vehicle in a couple more colors. The rear is plain jane, but not terrible. I am not crazy about the interior...too much shiny plastic. The steering wheel looks very cheap compared to the Momo-designed steering wheel that I have in my current Outback. I also noticed that the press release mentions that the audio system has nine Harman-Kardon speakers; who makes the tuner/receiver though? The McIntosh audio system in my 2001 Outback is very nice. One would hope that they wouldn't go backwards on the interior amenities. wilbur
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Replying to: lucien2 (Apr 11, 2009 5:25 am) |
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Replying to: wmarton64 (Apr 11, 2009 9:47 am) Bob
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Replying to: rsholland (Apr 11, 2009 2:24 pm) 
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With larger Outback I wonder how many people will really consider getting a Tribeca 5 seat. It looks like Tribeca is now in disadvantage in terms of luxury and convenience compared to Outback 2010. And given sales of Tribeca are total disappointment, they may just let it die this year, that is, no updates for 2010, get rid stock at hand, minimize losses. Afterall, in the present economic situation no one can take risks like a costly bad seller.
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Replying to: movedor (Apr 13, 2009 9:25 pm) Bob
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Replying to: rsholland (Apr 14, 2009 5:09 am) I agree with eric and wes that the 05-07 OB and Legacy were probably the peak in terms of styling, but a lot of people criticized them for being a bit bland. Personally I liked the 05-07 Legacy in particular. The new one is bigger and modernized, especially the stacked headlights and the sizing fit better to what consumers expect from that price class now. In short I think they upsized it about as much as they needed to. People will no longer say the back seat is cramped, though it may still not be "paisan sized".  I like the mpg readout - my van has it, our Forester has it, the Miata doesn't - and I miss it. 09 Miatas got that upgrade. It's usefull feedback to the driver, IMO. The lack of a temp guage is a bummer, but that's a sign of the times. Modern engines rarely need that. The light on our Forester does the trick. I disagree with whoever said the Forester will lose sales - it's a lot cheaper, it's 10 inches shorter, it's 400 lbs lighter, not to mention it's boxy and practical instead of rakish and stylish like the 2010 OB (tries to be, at least). Overall I think it's a good update. They addressed the complaints about rear leg room and bland styling, basically. Sounds like they actually listened to the customers. I'd like to see more 6 speed manuals in the lineup, but we should keep in mind some competitors don't offer those at all.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 14, 2009 8:46 am)
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Replying to: volkov (Apr 14, 2009 9:46 am) They even dropped the manual from the Forester XT. You gotta get a WRX and settle for a small hatch.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 14, 2009 10:01 am)  .
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