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#21131 of 22551 Abbreviated 2010 Legacy/outback Specs In-hand by eps105

Mar 09, 2009 (8:07 am)

I'm sitting in my Subaru dealer getting service and I have in my hand an offical teaser spec sheet sent to the dealer. This is not a rumor, this is an offical release from SOA to the dealers.
 
First of all, I think it dispells the myth that the Legacy and Outack are going to be totally seperate cars/platforms. The specs here apply to both. Subaru is simply going to unveil them at different times to try to differentiate them more, but they are the same platform.
 
2010 LEGACY/OUTBACK
 
Rear double wishbone
CVT with paddle shifters
6 speed manual
More powerful turbo
Bluetooth
Electric parking brake
GT Premium and Limited trims
3.6 inches wider (Not a typo -- yup, 3.6"!)
4 inches increased rear legroom (no, there is no listing for overall length)
18" wheels on GT
Single exhaust in 4 cylinder
8 colors, 2 blues, 6 colors are new
30 MPG!! (Presume this is the 4 cyl manual)
3.6L H6 (from the Tribeca -- it's confirmed!!)
IPOD USB port
Streaming Bluetooth audio support
 
Dealer says 2010's are already built from SIA but will not be allocated until July or August at the soonest.
 
Subaru is planning heavy advertising for the launch with 15% more ad spend and increased prime time and mainstream TV advertising.
 
That's all I've got, so please don't ask me for more!!
 
Elliot

#21132 of 22551 Re: Abbreviated 2010 Legacy/outback Specs In-hand by eps105

Mar 09, 2009 (8:15 am)

Oops, I missed a couple!
 
* 17" wheels on Outback
* Lower rocker panel moldings
* Increased cargo capacity
 
Elliot

#21133 of 22551 Re: Abbreviated 2010 Legacy/outback Specs In-hand [eps105] by saedave

Mar 09, 2009 (9:49 am)

Replying to: eps105 (Mar 09, 2009 8:07 am)
3.6 inches wider (Not a typo -- yup, 3.6"!)
4 inches increased rear legroom (no, there is no listing for overall length)
 
Sounds like the Tribeca is outclassed with more comfortable seating and the same engine available.
 
The 30mpg could be a CVT 4 cylinder. If the CVT provides the same performance as in Nissans Rogue and Murano, 0-60 will be ok. The CVT is most likely the same one as Nissans...from JATCO I have driven Muranos and like it.

#21134 of 22551 Re: Abbreviated 2010 Legacy/outback Specs In-hand [saedave] by rsholland

Mar 09, 2009 (12:16 pm)

Replying to: saedave (Mar 09, 2009 9:49 am)
My understanding is the CVT was engineered in-house, like the 4EAT.
 
Bob

#21135 of 22551 Re: Abbreviated 2010 Legacy/outback Specs In-hand [eps105] by jeffmc

Mar 09, 2009 (7:20 pm)

Replying to: eps105 (Mar 09, 2009 8:07 am)
Good info, Elliot. Thanks for sharing. (Seen the "brewhaha" elsewhere. Nothing that wouldn't be out of the bag soon anyway, if it's any consolation.)
 
FWIW, I had heard it was Outback's body that would differentiate from Legacy more than current models do. Same Legacy chassis/internals, however. Though Outback may not offer an XT to compare with GT, perhaps only 2.5 H4 & 3.6 H6. I think that Legacy design concept will look better as an Outback than a Legacy.

#21136 of 22551 Re: Abbreviated 2010 Legacy/outback Specs In-hand [eps105] by ateixeira

Mar 10, 2009 (7:49 am)

Replying to: eps105 (Mar 09, 2009 8:07 am)
Specs sound good, and more importantly the package updates go even further than the updates for the 2009 Forester, which is a hit.
 
This bodes very well for the new Outback and Legacy sales...
 
Agree with the comment above about Nissan tuning CVTs well. Mitsu does not, so I hope they do perform like Nissans do.

#21137 of 22551 Re: Abbreviated 2010 Legacy/outback Specs In-hand [rsholland] by saedave

Mar 10, 2009 (8:06 am)

Replying to: rsholland (Mar 09, 2009 12:16 pm)
My understanding is the CVT was engineered in-house, like the 4EAT
 
Subaru has said the 5EAT is 4EAT JATCO guts reworked by Subaru to add a gear. Unless Subaru is being heavily subsidized (by whom?) in-house CVT development seems very unlikely. I presume even Toyota uses JATCO CVTs...Note that Nissan (JATCOs parent) uses Toyotas hybrid system. You scratch my back; I'll scratch yours.

#21138 of 22551 Re: Abbreviated 2010 Legacy/outback Specs In-hand [saedave] by rsholland

Mar 10, 2009 (8:20 am)

Replying to: saedave (Mar 10, 2009 8:06 am)
Subaru buys the 5EAT from an outside supplier. Not so with the 4EAT, or the CVT. The 5EAT is very expensive for Subaru to buy, which is why we don't see it on Foresters or Imprezas. I've gotten this info from someone who is in a position to know.
 
Bb

#21139 of 22551 Re: Abbreviated 2010 Legacy/outback Specs In-hand [rsholland] by saedave

Mar 10, 2009 (1:48 pm)

Replying to: rsholland (Mar 10, 2009 8:20 am)
I've gotten this info from someone who is in a position to know.
 
But the 5EAT story came from Automotive Engineering quite some time ago with official Subaru source. That same article noted the costly mods by Subaru and the increased transmission weight that ensued...I recall 56 pounds.
 
For those who do not remember the close relationship of Subaru with Nissan there were hand-me-down Nissan body dies and even a Nissan model with Nissan engine and Subaru AWD and body. That Japan-only wagon model was called a Stagea.
 
Where ever manufactured a more expensive, heavier trans would be hard to justify for the lower end Subaru models, but eventually pressure to improve corporate CAFE will mean a CVT.

#21140 of 22551 Re: Abbreviated 2010 Legacy/outback Specs In-hand [saedave] by volkov

Mar 10, 2009 (2:09 pm)

Replying to: saedave (Mar 10, 2009 1:48 pm)
I was just doing some reading. Didn't realize that Subie was first in US with a CVT, or that FHI made CVTs for Nissan in the past. With a stronger CVT history, the development of a new one may not be as onerous as I initially thought it would be.

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