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Toyota Camry Solara, Toyota Camry, Sedan
#3228 of 5279 Re: XLE loud egine noise [cam2003]
Apr 19, 2005 (2:52 pm)
I just discovered the "Camry Rattles" thread here and everyone who has a 2005 Camry seem to have the similar problems. Also, some previous models(2002-2004) also appear to have the same problem.
It seems to be a major problem and when posters here tried to have the dealer fix it, they "deny" it as a problem as usual.
I tell you, my previous 1994 Camry did not have any rattles like my current car. Its annoying as hell.
What can consumers do to have "Toyota" and other manufacturers "fix" problems with cars. The "rattling" may not cause an accident but it is sure annoying as hell.
#3229 of 5279 ..beach and moen..........
Apr 19, 2005 (2:54 pm)
.....lots of complaints noted within these threads........
..based on the sour grapes, noise and whining......
..if i didn't know otherwise....
.i'd think Toyota's were terrible....
2k SE-V6 stick/od twice, 75k: sin problemas.........
'89 Sup Turbo 127k sin problemas......
..where do you people come from..........?
#3230 of 5279 Re: ..beach and moen.......... [ezshift5]
Apr 19, 2005 (7:55 pm)
Gotta agree with you; I don't even look at the rattles board. My Camry is as quiet as the proverbial tomb, and so was the '97 that preceded it. Yes, I did have the engine valve stem seals go bad on the '97 4-cylinder at 57K miles (began blowing blue smoke from the tailpipe on cold startup), but the dealer took care of everything under the powertrain warranty, no hassles, no sludge!
The car was otherwise very reliable, up to when I sold it at 111K to get the '04 with side airbags. WAY more reliable than the '90 Mercury Sable that preceded it!
If you have problems, hammer your dealer while the car is under warranty! But rattles, if present, are notorious to track down and fix permanently, like wind noise. I'd rather have rattles or wind noise than allow the dealer to take out my windshield or dashboard -- IMO, the car would never be the same again.
#3231 of 5279 Re: Tapping noise from the engine is piston slapping? [210delray]
Apr 19, 2005 (9:07 pm)
When you say this tapping noise, which I'm experiencing is much worse in my 2005 Camry XLE 4 cylinder when the vehicle is in gear, and the engine is warmed up is caused by the pistons?? What's the fix for this these pistons slapping?? I'll need to have this info when I talk to the dealership or Toyota direct. Thanks
210 you have been very helpful. On a another note, all readers of this post that are experiencing this same problem need to file a complaint with Toyota, so they (Toyota) will work on a fix for this problem, and the phone number is 1-800-331-4331.
Thanks To All Involved!!!
PS: I knew I should have purchased the Passat LOL!!
#3232 of 5279 Re: Washboard-like ride [stratojet]
Apr 19, 2005 (9:36 pm)
Thanks for the info, but just a couple of things. This tapping noise is always present, but much much worse when the vehicle is warmed up, and the vehicle is in gear. Your thoughts? This is crazy, because when I talk to Toyota they claim the vehicle is operating as designed, but the dealership told me that Toyota knows that there is a problem with the Camry 2005 4 cylinders, and that there is no fix for it. My Camry was purchased on 2/28/05, and I'm wanting to know if I can get a refund or a replacement vehicle?? ANYONE-THANKS!!!!
Thanks Again To All!!
Apr 20, 2005 (8:19 am)
I didn't say the noise was piston slapping, someone else speculated that it was. I highly doubt the problem is piston slapping; this is taking the problem to extremes in my opinion.
I also think different posters here are complaining about different kinds of noises; for example yours is a "tap," while toyotafanatic's is a "roar." Still others are griping about "hesitation" -- when they step on the gas, the engine doesn't respond for a second or so.
Have you driven other new or slightly used Camrys at the dealer to see if they make the same noise as yours? Have you tried another dealer, if you've not been satisfied with your selling dealer?
And what is this supposed problem (not counting hesitation) with Camry 4-cylinder engines? The engine itself came out in 2002 and hasn't been changed, except for a slight horsepower increase in 2005. Did they give you any details? Mine is as smooth as silk.
Before you visit any dealer again, you've got to document the problem in as much detail as possible, but not tell them what you think is causing the problem. This is because you could be completely wrong as to the source and lead them down the wrong path. Also drive with them in the car to point out the problem, if it's not obvious otherwise.
From the sound of it, you're not likely to get a refund or a replacement car; the problem doesn't seem serious enough as you describe it.
And be glad, be very glad you didn't buy a Passat! I can tell you about horror stories I've heard about that junkpile, starting with a colleague at work! He couldn't unload his Passat fast enough and now has a Camry.
#3234 of 5279 beach and moener here!
Apr 20, 2005 (11:22 am)
I guess I am one of the beach and moeners! Please do not think that the rattle forum is any indication that the mechanical reliability of the Camry has diminished. The build quality in so far as rattles has though. Of course if they have started cutting corners here one could argue that they may have started cutting corners elsewhere as well. Only time will tell. So far my car has been mechanically sound for 3 years. Based on history, the Camry should go at least another 4 years with no major problems...I guess I'll be convinced in a few more years.
Now, be aware the extremely loyal owners will deny any problems at all. These are the folks who still in their hearts believe there was no sludge issue. Then there are those for whom rattles never annoyed anyway. Then there are those who say there are relatively few rattle posts so it really does not mean anything....its just for belly-achers. However if you go that route then compared to the number of Toyota Owners there are scant few posts on Edmunds anyway so why bother even looking here.
Me, I am a Ford/Plymouth owner prior to the Camry. I decided to spend thousands more to get a car that would be rattle free and trouble free, offer better milage and a better ride. I hope I'd reduce my trips to the dealer to quarterly for scheduled service. I have found the Camry to be a very fine car but not nearly as GREAT as many in the Camry camp would have you believe. Also, I will say that my American cars were not as POOR as their reputation either. Still , I must say that so far I have had less trouble (in fact, sans rattles - none) with the Camry than my prior purchases.
I think the Camry has built a loyal and protective following that you do not find as often on many of the American cars - that is commendable. It nevertheless is flawed in some areas, likely less areas than most cars but still nothing is perfect. If rattles bother you, test drive the car on numerous road surfaces first. Then do yourself a favor and test drive a few 02s and 03 or 04s. See what you think before you purchase and good luck!
PS: The Camry is not hte best car in the rain and snow. I changed my tires with only 12K miles and the new ones are better but the Camry is still one of the poorest performing card in rain and snow I have owned. Get a model with traction control if that is offered now.
#3235 of 5279 Re: 2005 Toyota Camry XLE loud engine noise [toyotafanatic]
Apr 20, 2005 (3:29 pm)
The reason that it is noisy is that it is a four cycl. I test drove a Camry XLE with the four and it was quieter than alot of fours but you could still tell it was a 4 banger. I purchased a 2005 Camry SE with the 3.3 L V6. Awesome engine and so quiet.The gas mileage is almost as good as the four is and I have all that power and refinement.
#3236 of 5279 refinement
Apr 21, 2005 (8:24 am)
The 2AZ-FE is just as refined and uses all the same technology. It's just smaller.
#3237 of 5279 Heating/AC problems
Apr 21, 2005 (8:34 am)
My 2003 camry can be very uncomfortable. If the temperature dial is anywhere near the middle, near the change from blue to red, the car puts out quite warm air near your feet, cold air near the windshield or upper vents. There is a big temperature difference. This makes it impossible to be comfortable on a long drive, unless no heating or AC is needed. The dealer tells me there is no problem. Toyota ignores my letters.
Does anyone else have this concern?