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by timvipond
Nov 08, 2009 (10:50 am)
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Amsoil has provided API certified synthetic oils for 37 years, longer than any other synthetic oil. No vehicle manufacturer has ever said Amsoil is not fit for use or will ever void a warranty which it never has. Amsoil sees no reason to pay hundreds of vehicle and equipment manufacturers tons of money to be on their lists which is not required in the US or Canada for warranty coverage. Amsoil also provides their own warranty coverage for more miles than any other company.
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Re: [timvipond] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Nov 08, 2009 (12:40 pm)
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Replying to: timvipond (Nov 08, 2009 10:50 am)

But....that's what it seems like BMW is saying, unless I'm missing something here?
 
Of course, many other oils are also excluded, so I would not interpret this as a black mark against Amsoil per se.
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Re: [Mr_Shiftright] by timvipond
Nov 08, 2009 (12:56 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Nov 08, 2009 12:40 pm)

BMW is just listing a few oils they recommend because they paid the fee to BMW. They do not say it is required only to use these oils to maintain the warranty, and do not say that using any other oil will void your warranty.
 
If fact if you read further down, they do say that other oils meeting the recommended SAE viscosity and API ratings can be used, which of course, AMSOIL and many other oil brands meet.
 
Warranties only cover named parts by the vehicle manufacturer against manufacturing defects. It is not dependent on the oil brand used. If the oil causes the part to fail, which is easily determined by oil and parts analysis, then the warranted part would not be covered. Some oil companies warranties would cover the part, some do not. AMSOIL does.
 
AMSOIL has been used in thousands of BMW's since 1972 and has never caused a part failure or voided any warranty.
 
When in doubt, you can always contact the vehicle manufacturer and/or the oil manufacturer to see if the use of a specific oil will void a warranty, or if the oil itself provides it's own warranty.
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Re: [timvipond] by shipo
Nov 08, 2009 (1:40 pm)
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Replying to: timvipond (Nov 08, 2009 12:56 pm)

What does the API ratings have to do with the specific standards such as VW 502.00 and BMW LL-01? The fact is that manufacturer specifications are much more stringent than the lowly API spec. Like I said before, given that Amsoil has opted to not have their oil certified, then their oils are no better than rot-gut grocery store brand oil when it comes to caring for most European cars.
 
Please stop clouding the issue with a lot of noise, the fact is that unless Amsoil steps up to the plate has has their oil certified, then it cannot be used to maintain a new vehicle warranty.
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Re: [timvipond] by jeffyscott
Nov 08, 2009 (1:46 pm)
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Replying to: timvipond (Nov 08, 2009 12:56 pm)

I don't care what warranty Amsoil has. It has never appeared on any list of oils that meet VW specs for my car that I have seen. Therefore, it will not go in my car.
 
What possible reason would there be to put a non-approved oil in. Why create an unnecessary question, if there should be a problem, by using amsoil, when there are plenty of other options out there that would not create a question should a problem occur. I'm pretty sure my 2.5 VW engine would probably be just fine with about any oil, even conventional, but it is not worth taking that risk to save a couple bucks on oil changes.
 
As someone else indicated, I'd stay away from amsoil, in any case, as I would not want to support their MLM system that creates armies of dealers that clog up discussions with endless promotion of their product. IOW, your marketing is back-firing, at least in my case.
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Re: Ask vehicle manufacturers [Mr_Shiftright] by jeffyscott
Nov 08, 2009 (1:59 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Nov 08, 2009 8:14 am)

A search for "amsoil european" reveals that they want $8.80 per quart. Shortly before doing that search, I happened to see a local store ad for Mobil 1 at $5.50.
 
So what is the point of this amsoil stuff, again? Why would I pay a 60% premium over mobil 1?
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Re: [shipo] by timvipond
Nov 08, 2009 (2:05 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (Nov 08, 2009 1:40 pm)

"What does the API ratings have to do with the specific standards such as VW 502.00 and BMW LL-01?" Feel free to ask BMW. In your list of oils they also say "Use only oils with an API rating of SM or higher." And "Use only oils with an API rating of SJ/CF, SK/CF or higher." Which of course, AMSOIL is.
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Re: [timvipond] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Nov 08, 2009 (2:08 pm)
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Replying to: timvipond (Nov 08, 2009 12:56 pm)

Not sure what you mean---are you saying that you can get your oil on the BMW list only by paying them to put it there?
 
Is this public information? It sounds a bit scandalous actually, if true.
 
Sounds like product placement in a movie or something.
 
I'm kinda skeptical if you don't mind me sayin'...
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Re: [jeffyscott] by timvipond
Nov 08, 2009 (2:12 pm)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Nov 08, 2009 1:46 pm)

"As someone else indicated, I'd stay away from amsoil, in any case, as I would not want to support their MLM system that creates armies of dealers that clog up discussions with endless promotion of their product. IOW, your marketing is back-firing, at least in my case."
 
So you would rather support the economies of foreign countries, by not only sending your money there, but jobs as well? AMSOIL is an American company, using American vendors, that develops thousands of independent American businesses every year.
 
If you want to discuss AMSOIL products, you should expect people to participate that know the facts.
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Re: Nascar And Mobil1 [sandman_6472] by vipasynthetics
Nov 08, 2009 (2:14 pm)
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Replying to: sandman_6472 (Nov 07, 2009 6:13 pm)

You are absolutely correct!!! That AMSOIL should sell itself.....If you take a look at the latest NOLN - National oil and lube news magazine...you will see that AMSOIL has made the pie chart at the 4% mark..which has doubled in the past 2 years....and it has made it without certification, it has made it without spending a a penny on a national adveritising campaign on TV ...The only reason why people prefer Mobil 1 and Castrol is because they have seen 30 second commercials 50 times a day for the last 1000 years.....and all they know is a name.....they have no concept of quality..... it is a science to formulate motor oils... do you think many people in this world have passed their chemisty class? or have even taken the class??? or even care about chemistry??? and do you think those 30 second commercials really describe in detail the quality of the oils being promoted?? WOW...How convincing, those commercials you have seen referring to oil quality when the engine jumps out of the car ....or when a car is traveling down a road surrounded by Impalas.....That really tells you about protection.........
The bottom line....ifrom your own words... AMSOIL should and does sell itself.....and you won't find AMSOIL in the nationally known retail chains or auto part stores..........so how does AMSOIL sell so much oil???? Must be good some sh _ t....... the "EDUCATED" consumer knows the difference....and uses AMSOIL...

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