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Shipo, Here's my first Mazdaspeed3 UOA- any thoughts? by roadburner
Jan 13, 2008 (9:13 am)
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2.3 DISI Turbo I4
Miles on engine 9838
Miles on oil 5046
Date sampled 12/31/07
Make Up Oil 0
OEM Mazda Filter
Mobil 1 5w30
 
Aluminum 4
Chromium 1
Iron 40
Copper 83
Lead 2
Tin 0
Moly 80
Nickel 1
Manganese 1
Silver 0
Ti 0
Potassium 2
Boron 38
Silicon 12
Sodium 6
Calcium 2634
Magnesium 11
Phosphorus 624
Zinc 808
Barium 2
 
Sus Visc 210F 56.2 should be 55-62
cST Visc 100 C 9.13 should be 8.8-11.1
Flashpoint in F 375 should be >365
Fuel % 1/3 to 1/2 of what some other owners are reporting. Silicon is a bit high as well, but again it is in line with other UOAs of this motor. Blackstone believes that all three numbers will settle down by 15K-20K. At least the motor isn't completely wrecking the oil like the M54 in the X3...
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Re: Shipo, Here's my first Mazdaspeed3 UOA- any thoughts? [roadburner] by shipo
Jan 13, 2008 (12:08 pm)
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Replying to: roadburner (Jan 13, 2008 9:13 am)

Any idea what the TBN was?
 
Okay, let's see here:
 - The Iron looks a bit high, however given that your engine is still breaking in, no red flag there.
 - I'm thinking that the Copper looks pretty high as well, probably also due to the break in process.
 - Contrary to what Blackstone says, I think the Silicon looks perfectly fine, especially given how young your engine is.
 
All in all, a most promising UOA. Given that I'm a "0W" bigot, I am of course going to suggest that you start using the new "Mobil 1 0W-30 Advanced Fuel Economy" even though you don't live up here where it can get seriously frosty.
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Re: Shipo, Here's my first Mazdaspeed3 UOA- any thoughts? [shipo] by roadburner
Jan 13, 2008 (1:05 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (Jan 13, 2008 12:08 pm)

Any idea what the TBN was?
 
Got a little hasty with the cut and paste; the TBN was 2.9. Boy, I wonder what conventional oil would look like after 7.5K miles, like some folks are doing...
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Re: Shipo, Here's my first Mazdaspeed3 UOA- any thoughts? [roadburner] by ruking1
Jan 13, 2008 (2:14 pm)
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Replying to: roadburner (Jan 13, 2008 1:05 pm)

The comparison issues might be how your results compare with other Mazdaspeed3 engines.Since this topic's web site does not specialize in posting make and model results, a more obviously place to look for those comparisions would be bobistheoilguy.com. I would swag your results are in keeping with other Mazdapeed engine results (pretty average),: unless you ae one of the those that drives hard and/or got the statistically more consumptive engine or both.
 
My sense from your (normal) results are Mazdaspeed engines are more consumptive of oil/oil additives than say Honda Civic. So for example, my Civic oem recommendation is 10,000 miles OCI's with conventional oil.
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Re: Shipo, Here's my first Mazdaspeed3 UOA- any thoughts? [roadburner] by shipo
Jan 13, 2008 (2:43 pm)
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Replying to: roadburner (Jan 13, 2008 1:05 pm)

Hmmm, a TBN of 2.9, sounds a little low, however, that too may change as your engine breaks in a little more. Keep us posted.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: Shipo, Here's my first Mazdaspeed3 UOA- any thoughts? [roadburner] by ruking1
Jan 13, 2008 (5:47 pm)
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Replying to: roadburner (Jan 13, 2008 9:13 am)

What oil does the oem recommend for the gasser TURBO?
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Re: Shipo, Here's my first Mazdaspeed3 UOA- any thoughts? [ruking1] by roadburner
Jan 13, 2008 (5:48 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jan 13, 2008 2:14 pm)

Boy I REALLY did mess up the cut and paste. To clarify, I have posted the results on BITOG as well as a couple of the Mazda forums. My iron numbers are a bit higher than what some owners have reported, but incredibly, my copper number is 1/3 to 1/2 of what others are seeing. Fuel dilution was low as were the insolubles.
It seems that the new direct injection engines are prone fuel dilution issues, particularly the twin turbo BMW I6 as well as the normally aspirated V8 in the Audi RS4. Since my fuel % was <0.5 I must be living right, as Blackstone considers anything <2.0% to be accepatble.
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Re: Shipo, Here's my first Mazdaspeed3 UOA- any thoughts? [roadburner] by ruking1
Jan 13, 2008 (5:53 pm)
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Replying to: roadburner (Jan 13, 2008 5:48 pm)

I am glad. As I looked at the first post, the fuel dilution LQQKed high, even for the a motor breaking in. So given your newer post, I need to modify the odds to REMOTE.
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Re: Shipo, Here's my first Mazdaspeed3 UOA- any thoughts? [ruking1] by roadburner
Jan 13, 2008 (6:00 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jan 13, 2008 5:47 pm)

What oil does the oem recommend for the gasser TURBO?
 
The manual says that any SM 5W-30 is acceptable. I selected Mobil 1 because of the good results I've had in other engines as well as the fact that this Mobil 1 grade meets the Honda/Acura HTO-06 standards.
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Re: wal mart synthetic and pure one filters- 6,000 mile changes [cliffs] by bear78
Jan 14, 2008 (10:33 am)
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Replying to: cliffs (Jan 12, 2008 8:33 am)

I heard of a product called le that could solve your problem

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