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Re: VOLKSWAGEN JETTA CHECK ENGINE LIGHT [Mr_Shiftright] by bridgeatl
Nov 02, 2008 (6:04 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Nov 02, 2008 12:06 pm)

Yeah, the plugs were a very dark brown and quite crusty. I believe it was time for them to be changed anyway....It had been about 60,000 miles since they were last changed. With it being an older model car...they probably should have been changed sooner. I'm going to just let the 93 premium fuel run through the system til Thursday to see how the check Engine Light is doing and to clean out the fuel system as much as i can. then I'll take it back to the emissions. Also, it's pretty cold in GA Right now....how much does temperature play in all of this, you think?....
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Re: VOLKSWAGEN JETTA CHECK ENGINE LIGHT [bridgeatl] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Nov 02, 2008 (6:06 pm)
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Replying to: bridgeatl (Nov 02, 2008 6:04 pm)

Before you do an emissions test, you should have been running the car HARD and HOT on the highway. You can also buy this "pass emissions" snake oil and some techs tell me it can work in certain cases. They (the snake oil maker) give you your money back if you fail, so why not?
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Re: VOLKSWAGEN JETTA CHECK ENGINE LIGHT [bridgeatl] by bpeebles
Nov 02, 2008 (7:05 pm)
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Replying to: bridgeatl (Nov 02, 2008 4:26 am)

I would put MONEY on the fact that your MAF (Mass AirFlow) sensor is failing. There was a "factory extended warantee" on your MAF because VW knew there was a problem with MAF.
 
BOTH of my daughters 2001 VWs had their MAF replaced for free under this "extended warantee".
 
Since I have a VagCom , I was able to diagnose their bad MAF. (running lean and/or rich)
 
One way to help diagnose a bad MAF is to disconnect the electrical wire and drive the car. If it runs better, the MAF is definatly bad.
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Re: VOLKSWAGEN JETTA CHECK ENGINE LIGHT [bridgeatl] by bpeebles
Nov 02, 2008 (7:15 pm)
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Replying to: bridgeatl (Nov 02, 2008 6:04 pm)

Sparkplugs which are "dark brown and crusty" are NOT considerd "burnt".
 
A "burnt" sparkplug would be bright white on the tip because everything except the ceramic has burned off of it.
 
A competnet mechanic can "read" sparkplugs and determine a lot about the condition of an engine. (fuel mixture, rings, valvestem seals, ignintion system, fuel grade...etc)
 
Too bad there are not many COMPETENT mechanics around anymore.... many of them just hook computer to car and have little clue how to REALLY diagnose a problem. Also, many of them are paid based on HOW MANY PARTS THEY SELL and not by HOW MANY CARS THEY FIX.
 
I have always wanted mechanics to be paid based on FIXING a problem... (not on TRYING to fix it) 8-)
 
With that said - If all of your sparkplugs look about the same condition, this DOES NOT point to an ignition nor a mechanical problem and instead points to somthing IN COMMON to all of the cylinders. (MAF sensor, O2 sensor...etc.)
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Re: VOLKSWAGEN JETTA CHECK ENGINE LIGHT [bpeebles] by bridgeatl
Nov 02, 2008 (7:25 pm)
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Replying to: bpeebles (Nov 02, 2008 7:05 pm)

Hey Thanks!!...I will look into that tomorrow. But I have the manual here and there are apparently two MAF sensors: LOW INPUT and HIGH INPUT
 
Which one?....and how could you tell?....is there a separate electric wire for both of them?
 
And What do you mean, "If it runs better..."? Because the car runs fine....it's smooth and shifts consistently for the most part...but the Auto Parts Store Computer Reading was giving the Too Lean/Fuel Injector problem reading.....so how would I do that?.....would I run it without the sensor and see if the Auto Parts store Computer give the All systems Pass Reading (or whatever the technical term for all systems pass)?....Would the computer show the MAF sensor as "CANNOT BE READ" if I disconnect it?....Let me know....thanks....I seriously think this might be the problem.
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Re: VOLKSWAGEN JETTA CHECK ENGINE LIGHT [bpeebles] by bridgeatl
Nov 02, 2008 (7:31 pm)
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Replying to: bpeebles (Nov 02, 2008 7:15 pm)

Yeah...I will look into the MAF Sensor tomorrow....but if the spark plugs weren't bad....then why has the Check Engine Light gone off and STAYED OFF?....That's what baffled me.....even though the reading on the Auto Parts Store Machine said Fuel Injector problem. I thought long and hard about taking my Jetta to a VW dealer...but it would have been $106 just for a further examination and possible dianosis. I just wasn't sure I was up for that...what with being a College Student and all lol
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Re: VOLKSWAGEN JETTA CHECK ENGINE LIGHT [bridgeatl] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Nov 03, 2008 (8:24 am)
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Replying to: bridgeatl (Nov 02, 2008 7:31 pm)

Once again, any diagnostic machine is only as good as the person using it. People are throwing parts at your car and hoping that one sticks, sounds like. Not being there, I can't start a "diagnostic tree", but basically such a "tree" is a system of logic wherein the...ahem...technician tests THIS, and if not THIS, then he/she goes to THAT....and if not THAT...and so on, starting from most likely to least likely based on the initial codes from the machine. Each THIS or THAT has a value to be read, or a function to be tested, to eliminate it or accuse it of the crime.
 
So what i'm saying is that a code that says something like "misfire" or "bad injector" could be caused by many things, and the idea is not to replace all those things at once and then say "see, I solved it" (at the owner's great expense).
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Re: VOLKSWAGEN JETTA CHECK ENGINE LIGHT [Mr_Shiftright] by jeffyscott
Nov 03, 2008 (10:24 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Nov 03, 2008 8:24 am)

the idea is not to replace all those things at once and then say "see, I solved it" (at the owner's great expense).
 
But most of us are happier paying for new parts to be installed, than we are paying diagnostic charges, as in:
 
it would have been $106 just for a further examination and possible dianosis. I just wasn't sure I was up for that
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Re: VOLKSWAGEN JETTA CHECK ENGINE LIGHT [jeffyscott] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Nov 03, 2008 (11:21 am)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Nov 03, 2008 10:24 am)

The thing to do in that case is to work it out so that the diagnostic charges are subject to cancellation if the diagnosis proves to be incorrect.
 
I'm certainly not going to pay for a wrong diagnosis. I can do that myself
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Codes P1550 and P0101 by freeantelope
Nov 03, 2008 (11:28 am)
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I am having power loss on my 1999.5 Jetta TDI.
  
The whole story is important here probably. Head needed rebuilding, has new camshaft, timing belt, tensioners waterpump since it was all open. I also had the turbo actuator valve replaced (the bladder gizmo behind the engine). Right after that the turbo worked great, car ran like a dream for about a weak. I then noticed when the turbo would spool when at high RPMs that it would skip and then plop into limp mode. It has gotten progressively worse so that now it will drop off almost from the first acceleration in first gear. It will usually fix when the key is cycled.
  
when I run the codes I get P0101 an P1550 (regular handheld jobby), and under the the Vag-Com there are also codes for the rear ABS sensors.
  
So far to fix this issue I have replaced the Turbo Solenoid (up by the windshield with the hoses going to it), I have replaced the MAF....I have taken apart the hoses going to the air filter (all clear). I have visually inspected the vacuum hoses and though a little frayed don't see any breaks. The air filter is relatively new.
  
The connector plug (that plugs into the MAF) is a replacement plug so it leads me to believe someone looked at replacing that before I came onto the scene. I am thinking I should check to make sure that is wired well...but what else should I try. Any advice, happen to anyone else? I am reaching the end of my wits thinking about it....need some things to check so I feel like I am sniffing out the problem....give me your best shot!
 
Oh something else you should know. The engine light doesn't work it was somehow disconnected or blown, I wager disconnected so they could sell the car.

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