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Re: No Reverse 1991 735il [isellhondas] by bmw735il
Jan 23, 2007 (4:54 pm)
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Replying to: isellhondas (Jan 23, 2007 3:53 pm)

That was a concern when I was looking for a used unit because they were all high mileage, in my opinion, plus I didn't know their history. Trannies for the IL model were unique only to those models and for a 3 years production period so quantities are rare. Advice to others looking to buy one - be cautious. The other issue with my car is it only has 143k miles on it which is low for that year plus the interior is in showroom condition. Exterior is in good condition with no other known problems so in a way I hate to junk it just to buy another unknown situation. Thanks for all of the input.
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Re: No Reverse 1991 735il [bmw735il] by isellhondas
Jan 23, 2007 (5:39 pm)
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Replying to: bmw735il (Jan 23, 2007 4:54 pm)

143,000 may be low for that year but it is still a whole lot of miles on a car known for big time trouble.
 
Be careful!
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Re: No Reverse 1991 735il [bmw735il] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 23, 2007 (6:44 pm)
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Replying to: bmw735il (Jan 23, 2007 4:54 pm)

Yeah 143K is not low miles for ANY car. I like 735s, I owned one and I think they're great cars.
 
Now why is the trans. unique to that model? That doesn't make sense to me. I could see why the driveshaft might be...or perhaps the tailshaft housings are different?
 
Well on a used transmission, they can be a) inspected b) bench tested with air pressure and c) warrantied.
 
You can minimize your risk.
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Re: Transmission Trauma? [KarenS] by unhappyowner1
Jan 25, 2007 (7:12 am)
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Replying to: KarenS (Jan 19, 1999 7:23 pm)

I have a brand new 2007 Nissan Versa with 8300 miles on it and the transmission has already had to be replaced. I picked the car up yesterday and there is no difference. I waited for over 3 weeks for the part, while getting Nissan Consumer Affairs involved. That is what it took to get the part in. There is a very loud noise that comes from the engine when shifting between 1st, 2nd, and 3rd and while driving at a constant speed in any one of these gears. Any suggestions.
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Re: Transmission Trauma? [unhappyowner1] by jipster
Jan 26, 2007 (6:12 pm)
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Replying to: unhappyowner1 (Jan 25, 2007 7:12 am)

I wouldn't have much confidence in this dealership to fix your car, especially since they returned it in the same condition that you brought it in... apparently without even test driving it. Maybe they needed to replace the engine instead of the transmission??
 
Get familiar with your states lemon laws. It should be in your owners manual packet. Try another dealership, or put some heat on Nissan Versa to fix it properly while providing you with a comparable loaner car.
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2001 honda civic transmision fluid fiasco by glenn386
Jan 31, 2007 (12:21 pm)
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Replying to: dsjd2007 (Jan 16, 2007 4:26 pm)

I had the transmission fluid changed at an oil change franchise (and they were done in a Jiffy). They used the back flush method rather than dropping the pan. The problem is that they put in their standard dexron III fluid and did not include the bottled additive that brings the dexron III up to the standards for Honda's Z1 transmision fluid. I was unaware that the Honda required a different fluid at the time, but watched from the waiting room window...nothing went in my car other than the standard Dexron III. The transmission failed 20 day latter.
 
The district manager for the franchise is refusing to work with me on repairing the transmsision, stating that the work order says the additive was install even though I know it wasn't.
 
My honda dealer doesn't want to give an opinion on what caused the failure and also doesn't want to "get in the Middle".
 
Can others with more knowledge than me please inform me of the failure mode of this transmission with the wrong tranmission fluid installed as described. I have been told that 2-3 weeks is an appropriate time frame for the Dexron III to cause a failure. Direction to any web sites that will address this situation would also be appreciated.
 
Thank You
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Re: 2001 honda civic transmision fluid fiasco [glenn386] by imidazol97
Jan 31, 2007 (12:31 pm)
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Replying to: glenn386 (Jan 31, 2007 12:21 pm)

How many miles? What kind of maintenance schedule earlier?
 
Hondas have a reputation for transmissions. I find it hard to believe it was caused by lack of a small additive that adjusted it to Honda's requirements. I find the concepts that certain cars require special fluids only available from their manufacturers' special shelves a little tough to belive -- with a little background in chemistry.
 
I hear more speculation about the flush method rather than drop, drain, new filter, refill method that takes more than 5 minutes and $199.
 
I sure hope you have a pint jar of the fluid that came out of the transmission to give to an analyzing lab. And you probably need to find a transmission specializing mechanic who testifies after analyzing the results--he's the one who may want the pint of tranny fluid.
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Re: 2001 honda civic transmision fluid fiasco [imidazol97] by glenn386
Jan 31, 2007 (12:41 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jan 31, 2007 12:31 pm)

The car has 152,000 miles (with a 5 year old car that is obviously a lot of highway miles), and fuild change is recommended in the owners manual at 120,000. The fluid was changed at 95,000 miles and again at 151,000 miles. I have been told that the additive is a viscosity modifier that changes the pressure of the fluid delivery to internal parts. The franchise re-did the service when the problem surfaced and flushed out all the fluid from the original change and replaced it with new dexron with the Additive The problem just got worse, with total failure 5 miles later.
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Re: 2001 honda civic transmision fluid fiasco [glenn386] by imidazol97
Jan 31, 2007 (12:47 pm)
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Replying to: glenn386 (Jan 31, 2007 12:41 pm)

>The franchise re-did the service when the problem surfaced and flushed out all the fluid from the original change
 
They were happy to flush away evidence...
 
Highway miles would be better than cold short trip city miles IMHO. I'd rather have seen fluid drains at 50K + or earlier. I don't like long life recommendations on any fluids. But you changed earlier than the recommendation, that's good.
 
A local radio talk program mechanic does arbitration and forensic mechanical work. That's the type of person you need to have look at the failure mode of tranny. He's extremely knowledgeable. Probably costs$$$.
 
So it failed within a 1000 miles!!!! Who has the transmission now. Make sure evidence doesn't disappear again.
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Re: 2001 honda civic transmision fluid fiasco [imidazol97] by glenn386
Jan 31, 2007 (1:22 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jan 31, 2007 12:47 pm)

The Honda Dealer has it. They said they don't get into the internal workings of transmissions- they just replace them.
 
I thought that was surprising.

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