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#94 of 102 mrb9-"trade ins" on tires?
Feb 20, 2000 (6:35 am)
Tire retailers will give you an allowance toward new tires if your OEMs are in very good shape? Didn't know that was possible.
#95 of 102 UTQG rating myth
Feb 20, 2000 (5:53 pm)
UTQG Ratings numbers are created by tire manufacturers (with the help of marketing dept) supposedly following a US Gov outline of a testing proceedure. They are to be used when comparing tires within a single brand line. There is absolutely no correlation between companies as they each may do the test in slightly different ways to enhance their numbers.
All an A traction rating means is the tire stopped in a relatively equal distance on both Concrete and Asphalt surfaces wet or dry individually, it does not mean the tire stopped in the same distance wet or dry. There is only a straight line deceleration measurement. Turning grip (wet cornering is not tested).
Thus even an AA rating only means that this a better straight line stopping tire tire than others in the line. (Which may be very bad compared to other manufacturers).
The point being that without wet handling numbers (accident avoidance)you are blindly plowing ahead.
Compare tire by wet roadcourse time is the only safe way. Different size tires of the same model may have different tread patterns the same UTQG, but perform quite differently under exactly same conditions.
#96 of 102 Tires for an Acura Integra
Feb 20, 2000 (8:09 pm)
I need to replace the tires on my 1995 Acura Integra LS coupe and wanted to see if I could get any suggestions. I liver in Galveston, Texas where it never snows and I am primarily interested in handling and performance on dry and wet roads.The original tires are Michelin XGT-H4 tires 195/60R14 85H and I have been pleased with them. They handle fairly well and with my driving style I got 50K miles out of them. I was considering the Pirelli P6000 Sport Veloce or the Dunlop D60 A2. Does anyone have any experience with these tires or would you recommend something else.
#97 of 102 UTQG rating
Feb 21, 2000 (12:13 am)
I would agree that the UTQG traction rating is somewhat outmoded, with the level of technology present in many tires. However, I don't think I would term this rating a "myth." What it boils down to, is that there need to be some new metrics established for tires. The treadwear rating is still an important data point for any tire purchase, as is the temperature rating.
#98 of 102 Acura Interga + H4 Tires
Feb 21, 2000 (6:38 pm)
Since your car came with Michelin H4, I expect the manufacturer settled on these as a good all around choice. Look at the brand new Michelin Pilot H4. It seems much better in wet than the old design and 400.A,A.
We are using this tire on Q45 (we service over 2,000) as a general replacement for those that want good mileage and decent wet handling. If a tire will hold up here it will hold up anywhere.
The trick is to find a tire that stays in balance longer to minimize rotating and rebalance costs) A2 and Pir P6 seem lacking in many long term attributes but again your car weighs less.
Remember that an H rating only means that a tire will not destroy itself at 130 mph 60F for 10 minutes. When the road temp goes up to 120F the tire may reach a critical temp reducing its tread life by 30% or more and reducing the safety margin to 100 mph. Those who drive long distances on freeways at 80 mph in hot climates need H or better rating tires.
Feb 22, 2000 (5:36 pm)
hmmm... 80K treadwear for 50 bucks...
here's a good bet (and i have no experience with pep boy tires).
they will ride like crap (hard rubber).
they will handle like crap (cheap hard rubber).
as far as quality, don't know, but with most things in life, brand name vs. non-brand (and brand name sold at the brand name store vs. brand name sold at walmart) can be a large difference in quality.
how much longer/how many more miles do you plan on putting on the car? if you aren't planning on getting past another 40k, you'd be better off with less treadwear warrantee, better tire.
my 2 cents, anyway.
Feb 22, 2000 (8:43 pm)
How will tires on a full time four wheel drive vehicle wear differently than the front wheel drives that I am used to? Any good generalizations here?
Feb 23, 2000 (5:45 pm)
Which vehicle --lots of difference between Porsche and RV or Mercedes Station wagon.
#102 of 102 pardon the interruption...
Feb 24, 2000 (1:17 am)
Folks, we seem to have an abundance of "tire" topics in this conference. In the interest of keeping all the questions and answers in one place, I'm going to ask that we continue this discussion in Tires (Topic #16).
Thanks! See you over there....
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