Snow/Ice winter tires

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#219 of 708 pressure monitors by hpulley4 Dec 04, 2002 (4:59 pm)
Of course the consumer pays, the same way they pay for other mandatory safety equipment like airbags. It is a light on the dash. It can be reset at any time by pressing a button so that it doesn't go off after changing wheels, adding or removing air, etc. How does it tell the difference between traction loss and air loss? I'm not sure myself but I suspect the engineers thought about it for a little while My car has both traction control (which also has an idiot light in case you don't notice the system kicking in) and a pressure sensor run off the ABS and when I changed wheels & tires the air pressure light went on -- when I am in snow the traction light goes on (flashes) so it seems like they got it right. If you pull the fuse for ABS then of course you lose traction control and pressure monitoring as well. I like all three systems so I leave the fuse in, thanks!
#220 of 708 traction vs air loss... by robr2 Dec 04, 2002 (5:30 pm)
...by reading NHTSA's description, it sounds like the indirect systems compare current rotational speed to some average stored in the system. I presume that it will need to be programmed to ignore short differences in the rotational speed to deal with traction loss. If not, the idiot light will come on every few seconds if you are driving a car in snow/ice without traction control. More than likely, the system will measure differences over a set time period before warning.
#221 of 708 re: traction v. air loss by tidester HOST Dec 04, 2002 (8:46 pm)
I wonder how the whole system differentiates a pressure loss from a wheel slippage. Why would it have to? Fluctuations from slippage would be transient and readings should be correct when traction is recovered. tidester, host
#222 of 708 tidester by idletask Dec 05, 2002 (6:31 am)
"Fluctuations from slippage would be transient and readings should be correct when traction is recovered" Well, that's the whole problem. Please define "transient"
#223 of 708 idletask by tidester HOST Dec 05, 2002 (6:38 am)
Please define "transient" If you're slipping regularly for more than a half hour at a time I don't think you're too concerned about pressure loss! tidester, host
#224 of 708 Nokian WRs by theiceman Dec 06, 2002 (3:49 pm)
I just got a set of these installed this week on my '00 Bonneville. 225/55/17, V-rated and loaded rated at 101. So far, they've already outperformed my OE Eagle RSAs on snow, ice and wet - and they seem to be comparable on the dry. This is almost unthinkable - a performance V-rated* all-season which also carries the severe service emblem. Perfect for a guy like me who doesn't like to switch to snows for the winter. I am very impressed. the (well-named) iceman *note the V rating is rare for WRs - most sizes earn a T or H rating; mine just happens to be V-rated. Oh yeah, and a few other points: Nokian lists the WR as both an all weather and a winter tire - whereas they list the NRV (with which I was more familiar)exclusively as an all-weather tire don't go by the tire sizes you find on the web - Nokian is constantly adding new ones to their list. I couldn't find mine on any list I found on the web. there are two WR classes - the WR and the WR SUV - with the latter tending to be higher profile and higher load ratings.
#225 of 708 Snow tires or all weather tires for my Subaru by morris24 Jan 06, 2003 (10:01 am)
I live in PA and we are currently getting more snow and ice than we've had in several years. Maybe I got spoiled, but it's giving me a heart attack. My 2002 Subaru seems to fishtail a lot and I'm wondering whether it's because the factory tires aren't good enough. Let me know what kind of tires you are using that seem good in the bad weather. Thanks in advance.
#226 of 708 snow/ice tires are always better by hpulley4 Jan 06, 2003 (10:33 am)
AWD helps you spread the traction around to four wheels instead of two while accelerating but doesn't actually improve the traction of your tires, especially when braking and cornering. Snow/ice tires do a much better job of holding the road under winter conditions than all-seasons and OEM tires are often quite poor (why they skimp on the tires I don't know, but they do). I've had good results with Dunlop WinterSports on my MINI Cooper and Michelin Arctic Alpins on my Saturn LW200 here in southern Ontario where we are also getting more snow than usual (sort of north across the lake from PA). Others have reported good results with Bridgestone Blizzaks and Nokian Hakkalipettas so there many good snow/ice tires to choose from.
#227 of 708 Snow tires or all weather tires for my Subaru by cdnp5 Jan 06, 2003 (2:08 pm)
morris24 -- get some snows for that Subie. I drive with snows on my P5 and find the difference worth every penny. I can toss my car around and it keeps coming back for more. Stopping and starting have improved greatly also. I had the opportunity to drive my cousins Legacy with Dunlop snows on it and it was amazing. I was driving it in a major snow storm before the roads were plowed and the car handled like there really wasn't any snow at all. I was very impressed with both the Subie and the snow tires. Liked to have more time with that car in the snow as it could be a lot of fun.
#228 of 708 by dudleyr Jan 06, 2003 (2:22 pm)
get some snows. Also take a look at the Dunlop Graspic DS-2 (?). They had the best snow and ice traction according to Consumer Reports, and are very affordable.