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#927 of 1508 JACK , one more time please
Apr 30, 2003 (7:30 pm)
Jack, if I read you right, it seems that the MY 2000 and 2001 are to be avoided. Further, if you buy a CPO you can 1) save the initial first year hit on depreciation and 2) get a longer warranty than on a brand new car that has not been exactly trouble free (at least initially).
So, wouldn't the smart thing to do to buy a 2002 CPO and pass on a new 2003?
With regard to a stick shift, would you expect the pricing to be proportionately lower (on a used unit) to reflect the lower MSRP, significantly lower because they are not wanted by the used buyer, OR relatively higher because they are rare? In other words, how do stick shifts "residualize" in the real world?
In back issues of Roundel and Bimmer, the columnists aren't particularly impressed by the longevity of BMW automatic transmissions (maybe 100K before major overhaul). I figure that an overhaul on a X5 automatic would equal a California mortgage payment. Anyone's mortgage payment. How much could a Sachs clutch and pressure plate cost, anyway? $300? Plus 3-5 hours of local labor to throw it in and cut the flywheel?
Speaking of Roundel, if you join the BMWCCA you get a free subsciption AND a significant rebate on a BMW purchase or lease after a year's membership. I joined a year ago in anticipation of possibly getting out of my Jeep GC. This isn't a bad investment not only for the purchase/lease discount but to read about new BMWs coming out and other developments. Incidentally, their columns have a lot of tech commentary by hard core BMW owners and techs. A lot of this commentary is negative. Not only do they recommend obsessive/compulsive
airline-like maintenance intervals to avoid problems (really how often do most Americans really want to flush out their brake fluid?) but it seems like BMW has had some serious tech problems. These include engine problems (e. g., bad block castings and liners) leading to catastrophic failures, massive electrical problems, rear suspension failures,etc. etc. Apparently, you just don't want to own a BMW not in warranty. (The old fashioned, 100% cast iron Chrysler 318 in my JGC looks better and better. Feed it Mobil 1 lube oil, Red Line Synthetic ATF and at 104,000 miles it runs like a train.)
#928 of 1508 Here's one more blockislandguy
May 01, 2003 (5:04 am)
Well, your post covered lots of ground. X5s have had some issues. Most have been worked out. I think it's very important to have a BMW dealer that is very knowledgable and helpful.
I think buying a used BMW via CPO takes away most of the risk and worry. But, if you want to save a few bucks, You could buy it without CPO, save maybe $2k - $3k, and start a maintenance/repair fund with the savings. But, an 02 CPO probably won't save a lot over an 03. Some would take the 02 CPO over a new 03 just for the longer warranty.
Yes, BMW's have problems. The V8 block problem is well documented. But, and this is a big but, BMW stepped to the plate and extended the warranty and fixed the problem. It took several attempts to identify the exact cause. But, they did make it right. It's an interesting story, too long to document here.
I am in the process of selling an 86 BMW 528e that has over 197k. Yes, we bought it new, but it was out of warranty for quite a while. It is on the original engine and transmission. It's been a great car. Several minor issues, but overall, a great car. It still out brakes and handles most of the new stuff being sold.
As far as flushing brake fluid goes, I do it. If you want to compromise the stopping ability of your BMW/JGC when the brakes are hot, then have at it. But as for me and my family, I'll change brake fluid and keep the braking performance as close to new car specs as possible.
A comment on X5s with 5 speed. My son has a X5 with a 5 speed. My wife has an X5 with auto. I have a 530i with 5 speed. The X5s 5 speed has a very low 1st gear, much lower than the 530i. It may not bother you, but just know that upfront. The X5 just fells more "right" with the Steptronic (automatic) in my opinion.
So, yes, I think BMWs appeal to people who put handling and braking at the top of their list. If you value reliability, BMWs are quite good, but there are better alternatives. (the JGC will never make a reliability list. )
I hope this helps....
#929 of 1508 Re: X5 3.0 Manual CPO
May 01, 2003 (6:07 pm)
I think you may find a somewhat better deal on one because maybe it is someone who drove it for a year (or less) and decided that he/she couldn't live with the manual transmission anymore. The dealer would definitely lowball them on a the trade and would sell it cheaper than the Automatics CPOs on the lot. The question is, if you can find one. Do a search on BMWUSA.com
There are 3 within a 500 mile radius of where I live (NYC).
#930 of 1508 Ride Quality with Sport Package
May 04, 2003 (3:17 pm)
I have decide to get the 3.0i, but am not sure whether to get the Sport Package or not. Since the suspension is stiffer, is the ride quality compromised a lot? I have heard that on the 4.4i, the ride is horrible with the SP? Is it the same suspension on the 3.0 SP? Is the handling improved enough to be worth getting the SP?
May 04, 2003 (5:14 pm)
Thanks JOATMAN and NYCARGUY for your posts on buying a CPO X5. I appreciate it.
Incidentally, did everyone catch the preventive maintencance recommendation in the June issue of Bimmer? They recommend replacing the water pump and converting to an aftermarket aluminum thermostat housing at 40,000 miles (less if the car is used competitively)on most 6 cylinder engines. It seems Bimmer Magazine isn't too impressed by the plastic OEM water pump impeller and thermostat housing.
#932 of 1508 Re: Ride Quality with Sport Package
May 05, 2003 (4:43 am)
I think sport vs. not-sport boils down to your particlar situation: who drives it, the passengers, load, road conditions, etc. Twisty mountain road by yourself = sport pack. Hauling 2 children to school in the burbs = non-sport.
I'm impressed with the ride quality on the non-sport X5. The Sport Pack on the X5 is a stiffer ride, and I don't see where the increased control or sportiness justify its cost/stiffness in most situations.
May 05, 2003 (4:59 pm)
I second Jacks comments -- really boils down to the condition of your roads and if you desire the SP look. I found the heated steering wheel to be of greater need...plus the roads around Denver get ridiculous with potholes.
#934 of 1508 lease details on the X5 for this month
May 05, 2003 (5:19 pm)
Anyone know the money factor this month for X5? .0015? or ?
Anyone with any good lease deals in NYC area lately?
How much should I expect to pay above invoice for 2003 X5 3.0i this month?
Thanks for any input.
#936 of 1508 01 X5 Reliability
May 08, 2003 (2:19 pm)
I've had my 01 X5 for almost 2 years, close to 30k miles with zero problems - as in none.
It's had a couple of recalls the dealer fixed when I took it in for an oil change - I couldn't even tell you what the recalls were for - nothing I ever noticed.
I thought I wanted a manual X5 until I test drove a manual and an automatic - auto all the way. I usually get a manual transmission in any vehicle that offers one - not the X5.
I'm definately buying my X5 when it goes off lease, it's one of the best BMW's I've ever leased/ owned - fantastic.