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#693 of 2589 Freedom - 2000
Jun 22, 2002 (1:14 pm)
No, I do not know anyone, but I do have the ordering guide for dealers, which I pretty much printed out in my post above. Also a photo of both a Silverstone and a Solar Yellow. Solar Yellow was not available on any 2000 Cherokee, except the Freedom. it was a Freedom exclusive color. It then came back Mid-Year in 2001(the color - not the Freedom) only on the Sport 4-Door, mid year color. There was a single Solar Yellow Sport 2-Door made & sold by Yark Jeep in Toledo, Ohio, as a "gift".
Yes, it was a typo, the 1990.
Yes, the form states:
Retail Orders are now being accepted for the Mid-Year Cherokee SE with Freedom Appearace Group, Code ADF. It then went on to tell what I told above. Retail Orders are orders from the public. Dealer orders are called "wholesale" orders, and that indicates that the cars are UNsold, and are for inventory. If it's a "Spec" car, that means it is only built one way, with pre-set options, in one (or maybe two) exterior colors, and one interior. The Mfgr' runs through a bunch, say 1,500 or so and then the dealer zones allocate them to their "favorite" dealers..... (Politics, here now).
What made THIS car so UNusual was just that! The dealer had to order it on a FLEET order (recall mandatrory 5 units), YET it went in as a RETAIL OR WHOLSALE order! In other words, either ordered to spec for a consumer, or for inventory! That is what is so weird. A FLEET order comes in, and usually goes out within 2 days of
hitting the ground.
My contact states that he has 1,084 shipping bills for Freedoms, but acknowledges that he does not think that he has them all....
The "suggested" 5-unit order was for 1 in each color...i.e. Solar Yellow, Patriot Blue, Silverstone, Stone White & Flame Red.
Don't forget, there was back end money on these to the dealer as FLEET orders that they were. So, that is the part where the politics came in. (As in here's a gift of a car that you can sell for a bit more money 'cause it's SPECIAL, and you'll get a nice back end check as well. "Gift" see ??? There's a whole bunce of them on the web, 4-sale right now. You can do a search. I have found 2 Silverstone, 2 Solar Yellow, and 2 Stone White. Obviously the Patriot Blue & Flame Red have been kept longer ???? !!!
I think it's a pretty nifty & rare piece! Probably not as rare as my '01 Limited ~ but still pretty unusual sighting.
S A N D Y
#694 of 2589 Front Brake Pad Rattle
Jun 26, 2002 (12:38 pm)
I have a 98 Cherokee Sport (45,000) and I have recently noticed a rattling sound in the front end. All of the the front end components are fine. I then noticed that the brake pads can be rattled when I climb under the truck. The dealer told me that the 98 does not use the "anti-rattle clips" (which are not on the calipers of my truck)and that perhaps the previous owner used "aftermarket" pads that do not fit quite right.
Is this info correct, and is there anything i can do, aside from replacing the pads, that will eliminate the rattle?
#695 of 2589 to buy or not to buy
Jun 27, 2002 (7:40 pm)
Hello fellow Cherokee people.
I am leasing a 2000 Sport 4WD with only 16000 miles which is up Aug 3. Was wondering if others have had similar problems that I have had. Had the exhaust rattle but after 3 trips to dealer it seems to be fixed. Had, and still have, an intermittent brake noise although since having the rotors turned (by the dealer after much arguing; aren't rotors covered buy the warranty?) seems to be much better. Also had thumping noise in back, especially when wet which seems to be gone also since rotors were turned.
The biggest problem is the vibration at about 50 mph. My 98 also did this but much worse and my sisters 2000 was really bad. Had my 98 in several times for the vibration but dealer could not find anything. Kept rotating tires and telling me it was "normal" for a 4WD vehicle. (which seems to be the answer any time they can't find a problem.) Had this one in a couple of times for it also, but couldn't find anything of course. Was wondering if anyone else has had similar problems. Would bad rotors cause this? Had rotors turned because of vibration when braking which has stopped since they were turned. I think it is ridiculous to have brake problems at 16000 miles. Would appreciate any advice on this problem.
I really like the Cherokee and am thinking of buying it. Don't really care much for the Liberty. The buy out on this car is 15000. It is pretty much loaded with a sunroof. Anyone know what they go for on the used lot?
Thanks in advance.
Jun 28, 2002 (4:45 am)
I have a 2001 with 46K miles.
Mine had the thumping in the rear (matched wheel speed) when it was raining/wet but that went away on it's own. My guess is the brake shoes just weren't seated yet and the wet made them slip a bit. This would not be effected by rotors as there are no rotors on the back.
Front rotor vibration is a pretty normal problem on trucks and suv's these days and not just the cherokee. Turning them is a band-aid fix. Mine started vibrating at 15K and the dealer replaced them under warranty at 25K. The rotors are technically not part of the 36K warranty, but are the 12K. However, the dealer DOES have the ability to get this stuff fixed. I wasn't going to pay for factory rotors again as a good set of aftermarket rotors (high performance) will last much longer, but they are expensive. However when they offered to replace mine instead of turning them, I let them go at it. When I need pads (still on originals) I'll upgrade to high performance rotors.
The vibration is plain and simple: Tires. You have Goodyear Wrangler RT/S and they are junk. I put 35K on a set and absolutely hated them. I had them rebalanced 5 times and everytime within 1000 miles they were vibrating again. I stuck on a set of Michelins and it's smooth as glass straight up to 90mph. Steering wheel has zero shake and the passenger seat doesn't shake like a wet dog anymore.
As far as value goes, best you'll do is check edmunds pricing. $15K seems high for a '00, however your mileage is rediculously low so I can't even comment on what it's really worth. Seems like you've worked out whatever kinks you've got (and I wouldn't do a thing with the tires until you decide if you're keeping it) so I'd probably consider buying it. You know the history of it and appreciate the vehicle. There isn't a small SUV on the market with the power and capability, and many of the bigger ones don't compare either.
Jun 28, 2002 (5:06 pm)
Wow, thanks for the response.
Should have put 2 and 2 together on the vibration. Had Goodyears on other Chrysler vehicles and hated them also. When my 98 was vibrating, made the dealer replace tires at their expense because they told me, after 5 or 6 times bringing it in to service for the problem and having tires rotated, it was "poor maintenance". Needless to say I disagreed. Can't remember a problem after that but only had it for a few months more and they replaced them with the same tires.
Guess it was just coincidence that the thumping went away after rotors turned. Thought it was odd, but my 98 had the same thumping and had brakes replaced one week after I took it home. Had no problems after that. I thought the 36K warranty was bumper to bumper. Guess I will have to fight for that repair if I decide to buy it and need it again.
I agree about the power and capability. I can't find an SUV I like in my price range with a V6. Considering the Honda CR-V but hate to go down to a 4 cylinder. Plus was told that I might be able to negotiate the buy out price. Just tired of leasing and having to go through the new car thing every 2 or 3 years. Besides I take good care of my vehicles and have taken pretty good car of my 2000. Little worried about the engine fire thing but had the debris shield installed. Hopefully if nothing has happened by now nothing will.
Anyway, thanks you have been very helpful.
Jun 29, 2002 (7:32 pm)
I agree with the Goodyear tires being rough. They are expensive to replace too. What specific model michs did you put on? Thanks.
Jul 01, 2002 (2:49 am)
I put on Michelin XCX-APT. These are sold through Sears and NTB (maybe sams too) and they are LTX-AT's. You can't buy the LTX-AT in a 225/75-15, but you can get the XCX-APT in that size. Does that make sense?? (no!) These have a more aggresive tread (they are all-terrains, where the goodyears are all-season) and with the exception of emergency lane changing, these handle, ride, sound much better and much better traction. There is slightly more vehicle motion if you have to change direction quickly, but otherwise they feel very secure. I had to emergency brake the other day to miss a deer and they grabbed better than the goodyears. The goodyears would slide very quickly and smoothly where these Michelins grab the pavement much harder.
Michelin also makes an LTX-M/S which is an all-season like the RT/S. The RT/S was bare minimum tread style for the mud/snow I drive in. Someone seeing normal snow and rarely mud the LTX-M/S would be my choice. Those came standard on my Ram diesel and were very good tires, but didn't handle mud too well. They come in the stock 225/75 size through Michelin dealers as well.
If I wasn't driving as much on-road, there probably are some better choices for off-roading but they just don't have the all-around excellent characteristics of the Michelins. Plus the Michelins (in my experiences) last a good bit longer. They are usually alot more expensive so there probably isn't much of a monetary gain by using them, but they seem to wear smoother and drive very good all the way to the end of the tire life. My Goodyears still had pretty good tread left, but after about 20K miles they were a real pain and by 40K they had driven me crazy. I had an F-150 that came with the RT/S and they were actually pretty good tires on that vehicle, but sucked on the Cherokee.
Jul 03, 2002 (4:21 am)
Thanks for the info. I have 25K on them now, hopefully replacing them soon.
To anyone that this applies to...How difficult is it for someone moderately mechanically inclined to do your own 30K service, such as tranny and transfer fluid flush and fill? Any hints or tips?
#701 of 2589 Motor Shutting Off
Jul 03, 2002 (6:24 am)
Hello all, I have been reading messages about Grand Cherokees. I purchased a 2000 Grand Cherokee with 28,000 miles on it in Jan. 2002. Up until June 20, 2002 I had no problems. I had the intake manifold cover replaced due to the manufacturers recall and after that I began having problems. My Jeep has been cutting off sporadically. It has been towed to the dealer twice in less than a week for this problem. It will run fine and without warning it will shut off. I was stranded in a thunderstorm the last time. I waited 1 1/2 hrs. for the tow truck and my Jeep never re-started. After towing it to the dealer it started immediately and has been running (according to the dealer) fine since. The dealer says they can't find anything wrong with it. It has been in the shop now since last Friday June 28, 2002. The week before it was there from Friday June 21, 2002 until Tuesday June 25. The other issue is the dealer will not authorize payment for a rental because they say the warranty only covers rentals when they have diagnosed a problem. In my case they have not. I had to pay for my rental. Has anyone else had this (these) problems? Is it common with Jeeps? Is it a 2000 model problem? What if anything was done to repair it? Thanks in advance for any feed back.
Jul 03, 2002 (1:16 pm)
I am sorry to hear about your problem. Could the dealership possibly pinched or cut some wires while installing the shield? Have you noticed a recurring pattern when your Jeep shuts down, like being very humid or wet out?
I have had my shield installed too, and I haven't noticed anything yet. My Cherokee is a 2001.