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Mercedes-Benz M-Class, Mercedes-Benz ML55 AMG, SUV
#7605 of 8199 My 2002 ML500
Jan 23, 2005 (4:06 pm)
I've had my ML500 for 37 months and 39,200 miles. I just put new tires on it and I'm getting close to a set of brake pads but the brake pad light has not come on yet.
I have a silly question... Do our ML's have heated side mirrors? I normally keep mine in the garage but kept it out recently in the dew and noticed that when I turned on the rear window defogger, the mirrors didn't clear. Every Mercedes I've had has had heated mirrors. It doesn't say "heated mirror" on the mirror itself.
I bought the top-of-the-line ML with the third seat, parktronic and navigation.... I just assumed it had heated mirrors too.
#7606 of 8199 Benz deisel -- I live in California
Jan 23, 2005 (8:08 pm)
Called Benz and they said the state will not let them sell used Diesels, even with over 7500 miles on them.
Yet, VW lists used diesels on their dealer sites.
If ou figure you are going to drive your M-class vehicle 200,000 miles and you figure 17 mpg and $2.30/gallon, thats = $27,000 in gas. But with diesel at $2.00/gallon and 30 mpg thats = $13,000.
Also, there will be fewer repairs on a deisel and less chance of a breakdown.
#7607 of 8199 Re: Benz deisel -- I live in California [aaaedgarpoe]
Jan 23, 2005 (9:23 pm)
The difference between the two scenarios you proposed is only $3,500 - you figured the cost running diesel incorrectly. Also, 200,000 miles will take the average driver something like 14 years to achieve so the difference works out to about $5 per week.
Jan 24, 2005 (12:49 am)
Another issue with this computation (at least around my locale): Diesel is MORE expensive than gas, not less.
#7609 of 8199 Re: My 2002 ML500 [mark156]
Jan 24, 2005 (9:27 am)
My 2000 ML320 has heated side mirrors. Nothing
needs to be on for them to work. I noticed that
they were on one morning when there was a dew on the mirrors and steam was rising up within a few seconds of starting the car. On my car the heater element outline (4" dia round shape) shows
up first, then the rest of the mirror surface is
#7610 of 8199 Thanks, chumsae, I might need to have mine checked.
Jan 24, 2005 (9:22 pm)
Jan 25, 2005 (2:15 am)
Deisel is usually a little more this time of year since its winter and a harsh one at that!
(1)(200 000 * 2.30)/17 = $27,058.8235 (Premium)
(2)(200 000 * 2.00)/30 = $13,333.3333 (Diesel)
(1) - (2) =~ $14,000 savings.
Weekly cost savings=(13,333.3333/14)/52= $18.3150183 which is more than the $5 a week savings you, Mr Tidester proports as the truth.
#7612 of 8199 Also a slaesman in California told me today
Jan 25, 2005 (2:24 am)
at about 5 PM as I sat in Corona and he in Orange county that Benz will have a new 2006 E320 CDI (yep, deisel) availble for sale as new in Calfornia in 2006.
I said, "I can't believe they can make the NO exmission requiremtns." He said he did not know but that is what he was told. All this darn verbal stuff.
If I recall correctly, in 2006, CA will mandate the low sulfer deisel fule, whihc will help meeth the tough CA requriments, but not the NO, unless the use a hybrid do reduce pull on the diesel -- NO is a big byproduct when the engine is called to do high acceleration.
#7613 of 8199 Re: Also a slaesman in California told me today [aaaedgarpoe]
Jan 25, 2005 (9:01 am)
The Euro CDI engines, MB as well as VW, Citroen, Peugeot, Ford, and others are all ultra clean-burn engines with very low NOx emissions due to special secondary burn features and dual or triple stage catalyst. Meeting the NOx and CO2 standards for CA is a no brainer. The CDI can meet the 2006 standards today.
Worse news for you, the fuel is already low sulphur. The EPA has some information at http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/fuels/diesel/diesel.htm though there is another site, perhaps in the bio-diesel relm, that indicates the refineries in Cal and AZ are ALREADY meeting the low sulfer standards.
I too have been told by MB USA and the kind folks at Fletcher Jones in Newport Beach that the ML will be available in CY 2006 with the 320 CDI power train. Though I am anxious to buy the new ML 320 I may wait the extra eight months, ML not due until April I am told, to let the initial quality issues work out and then snag a clean burn diesel.
By the way, check out biodeisel as an environmental option. http://www.biodiesel.org/ There is an interesting test of the new Jeep CRD diesel that uses the ML 280 CDI engine. These are available in the UK but will never see the US market as MB USA wants to segement the US market for higher priced/margin vehicles.
#7614 of 8199 Thanks -- I read the CA air web site and..
Jan 25, 2005 (10:34 pm)
Production and import of Deisel must comply with 15 ppm sulfer by 1 June 2006. Sale of deisel (except comsumer use) must comply with 15 ppm by 15 July 2006. On 1 September 2006 all deisel sold in CA must meet the 15 ppm sulfer requirement. Currently the deisel can be upto 500 ppm sulfer.
If Benz is going to sell a 'europen' type deisel, then it will have to wait till 1 Sept 2006, or they risk having to replace lots of clogged fule injectors on their warranty. So your wait maynot be 8 months, but 18 months.