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#7574 of 8199 New Mercedes M-Class Revealed
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Dec 17, 2004 (12:05 pm)
Thinking of downsizing?
2006 Mercedes-Benz R-Class
Talk about it in the 2005 Mercedes-Benz R-Class discussion.
No? Going to stick with the M-Class? Here's what this week's Edmunds Future Vehicles Newletter (link) says about the 2006 MB sport-ute:
New Mercedes M-Class Revealed
Mercedes-Benz has released these first pictures of the new 2006 M-Class sport-ute, due to be shown at the Detroit auto show in January. The new M-Class sits 5.9 inches longer, 2.8 inches wider and 0.4 inch lower on the road than the first-generation vehicle, with a 114-inch wheelbase that's 3.7 inches longer than before. The new M-Class switches from a body-on-frame design to a unibody platform -- more like the Jeep Grand Cherokee. Benz's new seven-speed automatic transmission is standard, as is full-time four-wheel drive. A height-adjustable AIRMATIC air suspension is optional. A revised four-wheel traction control system now incorporates functions such as a downhill driving aid and Hill-Start Assist. And as expected, the new M-Class offers up two engines at launch. The ML350 is powered by an all-new 3.5-liter, four-valve-per-cylinder V6 engine delivering 268 horsepower and 258 pound-feet of torque. The ML500 sports the Benz 5.0-liter V8 engine with 302 hp and 339 lb-ft of torque. The M-Class will be built at the Mercedes-Benz factory near Tuscaloosa, Ala.
Dec 19, 2004 (6:01 am)
where do i get detailed pictures of the next Mercedes Benz M-Class
#7576 of 8199 Re: hey [jchan2]
Dec 20, 2004 (6:58 am)
Look at www.jesmb.de
#7577 of 8199 2002 ML320
Dec 21, 2004 (8:37 am)
I am looking at an 02 ML320 with 11,850 miles for $27,750.00. This car is in exceptional shape. I have a carfax report as well as the last service report from the dealer. The miles are real.
The Carfax "Detailed Vehicle History" reports that it has been serviced 7 times since the leasing company leased it to the previous owner(?). The general comments state from "vehicle serviced" to "vehicle serviced, miscellaneous serviced performed, engine serviced". Does anybody know what that means?
My big question; has anyone had a good experience with their ML320? I searched all over the net and find 99% bad reviews. I really like this car and want it, but I can not afford the time and expense of having it in the shop all the time. I really would like some honest opinions.
Any comments would be greatly appreciated.
Dec 21, 2004 (10:59 am)
Make your own tradeoffs, but I'd pass for the following reasons:
1. Seven service visits in 12K sound like teething problems of one sort or the other. By the book servicing (which most owners with cars under lease do) should have, one or perhaps two visits if they were doing calendar time servicing. Perhaps everything was fixed, but you're looking at a car that someone was taking back in quite a few times to resolve problems - this is not a good sign.
2. MB is heavily discounting new 2005 MLs. I'd bet you could swing a deal on a new one, typically optioned, for $38K or so. To me, $10K is not enough discount for a car that is three years old. The new ones are improved too, and MB has continued to work out the problems.
3. You state that "I can not affocd the time and expense of haveing the car in the shop ...." MLs are not patently unreliable, but they do tend to have more problem and it sure sounds like you are risk advserse in this area. I'd suggest you look at one of the Japanese SUVs: Pilot, Pathfinder, or 4Runner. You can probably get a new one for about the same money.
Having come down hard, I'll flip the coin for a second and say that although I've had problems with my 2000 ML, I'm still pretty happy with it, and in 70K miles, I've had exactly one non-warranty repair for $250. I like the SUV and am going to continue to drive it. It runs well and serves me reliably each and every day. But I think I'm more involved than the typical owner and can do a lot of my own maintenance and trouble-shooting. If I was just going to throw the keys at the dealer when problems occur, I wouldn't own one out of warranty.
#7579 of 8199 2002 ML320 by dougd
Dec 24, 2004 (10:43 am)
I have a 99ML320 with 69,000 and have been overall reasonably happy with the car. I wanted to keep it for a long time. However, I am quite concerned reading all the negative posts about it. My brother was researching a used Acura MDX and the average ratings by users on a number of websites like edmunds it over 9 out of 10. MB as are more 7 or 8 on 10. Which is not bad when you compare it to Ford Dodge or Jeep. However, if you are paying a premium, you should atleast expect better than average reliablity and quality.
I have had no significant problems with my truck. However, I have read of many problems with MLs. If you are keen on getting it, try to get it for $25K as these things depreicate like a rock.
#7580 of 8199 Premium Price Has Little To Do with Reliability
Dec 24, 2004 (1:44 pm)
I think the data shows that vehicle reliability is inversely related to purchase price - the most expensive vehicles are typically the least reliable. This goes for all cars, not just MB.
Most experts attribute this simply to more complex systems, particularly electronic gizmos and software, and the pioneering of cutting-edge technology on more expensive cars - technology that has not had the testing and years in service of the more mundane systems on cheaper cars.
IOW, all cars offer similar reliability, but if you have more car, there are more things to break down. Any expectation that the extra money you pay for a MB, BMW, Volvo, Saab, Cadillac, Lexus, Infiniti, or Acura buys you extra reliability isn't, and never has been, backed up by the data. The most reliable cars are the relatively simple and mundane ones produced in huge numbers - for example, 4-cyl Toyota Camrys and Honda Accords with auto transmissions.
#7583 of 8199 Re: MB and Lexus comparison [quinnd]
Jan 05, 2005 (9:17 am)
Gentleman, you are not comparing apple to apple. What you have is a V8 by MB in contrast to V6 by Lexus. Why don't you test drive the GX470 V8 by lexus. Perhaps, this may educate your views a bit.
My sister own a lexus RX300 V6, Now this vehicle reached 200,000 mile. So far, she only replaced brake pads, 5 x tires changed, normal services without any major works done to this car. Mine ML320 on the other hand, after the warrentee cost me an average US$2,700 a year. Transmission went once and it cost. The vehicle is now 120,000. It is to costly to keep, I am looking to trade in very soon.