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Mercedes-Benz M-Class, Mercedes-Benz ML55 AMG, SUV
Jul 25, 2003 (2:19 pm)
Thanks for the confirmation. Too bad they are going to discontinue the ML320. I am actually wondering if it is worth my while to trade in my 2001 (33,000 miles) for a 2003, since Mercedes gives a price break of $1000 to previous M class owners and there will probably be a very reduced clearance sale on the ML320's. I agree about the climate control, and I also really like the fog lights which my car does not have as well as the automatic headlights.
Jul 25, 2003 (5:19 pm)
The 2002 model gained quite a bit of weight when the vehicle was refreshed. That must have offset some of the power gain from the new engine.
I believe the 2002 also added 17" wheels as standard for the ML3xx, along with new tire models, and there are changes in ride characteristics.
Please also keep in mind that the vehicles have an adaptive transmission and a loaner may not respond in the same way you expect.
#7073 of 8199 ML Model changes
Jul 26, 2003 (5:30 am)
Over the years the ML has gotten faster/slower and faster again. look at Wolfgangs model specs http://www.whnet.com/4x4/specs.html and you will see that every year they changes things a bit. So it's not a suprise you "feel" diffferences between model years. I love my ML 350. I do think it feels faster than 320's from prior years. By the way the ML 320 was stopped being manufactured in October, so if they have some on their lots they are leftovers.
Jul 26, 2003 (9:06 am)
The ML350 is definitely faster than the 2002 ML320. While the 2001 ML320 is faster than the 2002 ML320. There's very little difference between the 2000 and 2001 though.
I am surprised at comments that the ML350 felt rougher. Starting with 2002, there were suspension changes that many think made the ride somewhat more compliant and smoother. I wonder how much of this is the difference between driving an older vehicle with its suspension "softened up" with use vs. a relatively newer loaner.
Jul 28, 2003 (8:24 am)
Yes, I too received an ML350 as a loaner a couple of weeks ago. I also felt as if the acceleration was just a bit better (although not by much) in my 2001 ML320. I figured this was due to the additional weight on the ML350. I think the 2001's had a curb weight somewhere around 4500 lbs, and the ML350 is around 4800 lbs. The only thing I didn't like about the auto climate control is that it's a bit hard to see the little light that shows what setting it's on in the daytime with sunglasses on. Other than that, I liked that fact that it had rear vents. I couldn't really tell a difference in the ride quality. However I received the loaner with a full tank of gas. After driving it 65 miles with AC, I had used up a quarter tank of gas! This wasn't all city driving either.
#7077 of 8199 new review by is CRAP!!
Jul 29, 2003 (12:30 am)
MLs may have their share of negative points (which car doesn't).
But I think the review in the link above is totally negative. Don't bother to read it if you already haven't.
The person definitely has a bias against the ML. His last line sums it up.
To quote the author:
"Consider far superior offerings from Acura, Infiniti, BMW, Volkswagen, Nissan and Lexus."
Edmunds HOST. Be nice, fair and don't delete this post....
#7078 of 8199 New review
Jul 29, 2003 (1:13 am)
New review is ridiculous and unprofessional. Guy needs to be canned from Town Hall Review.
The ML is a SUV, did the guy even go off road once? Where it will beat Acura, Nissan, Infiniti, BMW, Nissan and Lexus handily.
The ML is a utility vehicle. Did the guy try to stuff 15 trash loads of stuff in the passenger compartment? Which I did, and which can never be done in the Infiniti and BMW?
Has he even driven the Tuareg, or FX45 or the RX330? Does the Murano, FX or BMW even have the option of 3rd row seats?
Is there even a check for competency before being allowed to write for THR or can anyone do it?
#7079 of 8199 glad y'all, ahem, enjoyed the review
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Jul 29, 2003 (8:19 am)
Our test team is made up of members, like many of you, who like to go to dealers and check out cars. The hosts get a feel for various members who are car nuts and who are always driving the latest and greatest. So we asked a few of them to collect their reviews in one spot. Otherwise, their comments would just live in the discussions that they normally frequent.
I don't think many dealers encourage test drives off-road, btw - Land Rover may be the exception with their parking lot courses. Ditto on stuffing a new model with trash!
#7080 of 8199 New bash, ahemm, review.
Jul 29, 2003 (9:47 am)
I wonder what the purpose is.
Taking the SUV acronym apart the U stands for UTILITY! Hellooooo anybody out there.
The review even questions whether the ML is a truck or not, did they even look underneath or towed anything at all, in five years of ownership (ML430 trouble free) I have been towing, many times my 25 Ft fishing boat around 6000lbs loaded with tandem axles trailer, I have towed once in off-road conditions an 8000lbs load (tractor on trailer to a camp) the ML did it with no problems, the real question is whether those other grocery haulers are trucks or not with the exception of the Tourareg they are cars on SUV uniforms.
Take a look at this picture I took at the plant a few years ago, the ML transmission and frame and see if any of the darlings mentioned look this big and strong.
The slanted hood is there for a reason, visibility, any ML owners, can you see any hood while driving or all road? Did you think the ML handles well or is the article correct? Are all the other negatives correct or not?
From the first sentence to the last the whole review is a bash, I find the writing style very familiar, is to be found at the Mercedes and VW bashing topics like at News&views, is this a Camaleon game? It reads like the biography of a serial killer, the author makes a little effort and finds a couple of bright episodes in his childhood. Is Edmund’s a professional and objective site or agenda ambassadors?
HOST, if you think I am wrong read it or read it again, even a small thing like opening the hood is a pain for the reviewer, full of negatives, I just hope he did not hurt his wrist.
From the same author, excerpt;
“The Corolla is the leader in reliability and you can pick up a used one for a song. A used civic also will cost peanuts and will definitely run forever. avoid a 2.0 jetta, especially a 2000 like the plague. burning oil, window problems, etc.”
I don’t think in downtown Tokyo I will find more negatives.
My two cents.