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Mercedes-Benz M-Class, Mercedes-Benz ML55 AMG, SUV
Jul 20, 2002 (5:14 am)
On a hot day and stopped in traffic, or in stop and go traffic, it is normal for the temperature gauge to reach 100 C. In fact, Mercedes indicates that you should not be concerned until the temperature gauge exceeds 120 C. I have a 2000 ML 320 and a 1995 C 280 and both these cars behave this way when the temperature outside is above 90 F and the traffic is stop and go or stopped.
Also, if you notice on the temperature gauge, the "red zone" does not start until you go over 120 C.
Jul 21, 2002 (5:21 am)
Thanks for your reply Bob. I noticed the increase in temp of the engine only after the engine started to roar more like a diesel engine than a gasoline engine. Is this normal behavior? Thanks for your post.
Jul 21, 2002 (10:34 am)
The "roar" that you are hearing is most likely the sound that is coming from the "engine" radiator fan. This fan is attached to the engine by a viscous clutch that allows the fan to spin freely when not needed but as the engine temperature rises that clutch progressively engages until it is fully locked. Under the conditions you describe (engine temperature of 100 C) it is most likely fully engaged and the "roar" us the sound of the fan spinning at full speed.
I hope this calms some of your concerns.
Jul 24, 2002 (6:53 am)
I am in the market to purchase an SUV. My wife likes the ML320, but my response to that is that looks aren't everything. Yes the ML series seems to fit me well (I'm 6'6" with long legs) and it also seems to ride nice, but I am having a problem with purchasing a vehicle that has long standing problems. I went to a reputable (got information through checkbook magazine) Mercedes repair shop in which the mechanic told me that if i wanted to purchase a new or used ML, make sure that you have money in the bank after the warranty runs out (for a new one) and make sure you have at least $5K in the bank when purchasing a used one (for repairs). He stated that Mercedes is bringing out new technology before it is thoroughly tested just to stay ahead of its competitors. Yes this is a Mercedes mechanic telling me this. My question is for the 2001-2002 ML series, do you think that this vehicle's quality has increased, or is Mercedes just hanging on until the next new model series comes out. I'm trying to hold until the next Toyota 4 runner and Lexus GX470 come out later this year. But I would like to have something before the fall/winter season. Also,for those of you who own ML 320's or 430's, do you use this truck as a primary vehecle or a secondary one (meaning you only use on weekends or certain occasions), and what prices have you been getting lately?
#6513 of 8199 Thinking
Jul 24, 2002 (12:14 pm)
My experience has been,
I first purchased my 99 ML430 in 1999 or late 98, new, after my purchase I started to get involved in chats like this one for the only purpouse of entertaiment. I was not aware that I had a quality problem other than reading opinions and then reading a couple of surveys, by the general consensus I had bougth the worst vehicle made, if you believe the opinions of those that never had one or sat their behind in it. Going into 4 years now I only had a few squeaks and rattles (upholstery and trim related) and that is on rare occassions, never bothered with the dealer, the only problem I had was with my brakes dragging a little, after the third or fourth incident in 3 1/2 years I took it to the dealer, the repair was beyond and above of what I expected, first class.
I dont know what your mechanic is talking about unproven new technologies, if there is one thing I never heard about is engine and transmissions problems of the catastrophic type. Both of the engines have been award winners for several years now. There was an issue with the fuel pump cloging up but long ago resolved. The wast majority of the problems reported are the annoying type, a switch, a rattle, a brake squeal etc, MB is very good at resolving the issues and once properly cured they are not recurring.
I have several vehicles so I tend to use them at whim, but for the last two years or more I use my ML to tow my jet skies about 2500lbs or my boat over 5000lbs, for a long distance. On very steep ramps the low range is a plus, it pulls that heavy load with no strain. If you look underneath you will see the heavy build and the very large transmission.
The general agreement is that the problems encountered are of the execution type at the Alabama plant, the only thing that comes from Germany is the engine and drive and problems with it are again, almost unheard off.
#6514 of 8199 Response to "Thinking"
Jul 24, 2002 (4:03 pm)
I have a ML430 purchased in Oct. 98 (99 Model). I have had numerous Mercedes over the years (mostly S coupes, sedans and SL's). I currently have a 99 S500to use when I need space but drive a 2001 XKR convertible daily. The numerous problems that I had with the ML was partially responsible for my purchase of the Jag which has been essentially trouble free. I never had so many problems with any auto that I had with the ML (electrical, security system/locks,squeaks/rattles,wind noise/seal leaks,fuel gauge, etc.). No vehicle had ever been in the shop for 2 weeks (locks/security system) before. I never had a problem with the power train however(made in Germany). With the exception of the squeaks and rattles the problems have been sorted out. I would assume that most of these problems have been fixed in used vehicles but would try to get as late a model as possible. I have to say that it is a great handling vehicle. I am even considering a ML500 later this year or next. I do want to take a look at the Lexus GX 470.
I still have several of my older Mercedes and belong to the Mercedes Club so it pains me to see the deterioration in quality and service (the most recent CSI has Mercedes below average) that has occurred over the last 25 years. I hope the can turn it around.
#6515 of 8199 Response to "Thinking"
Jul 24, 2002 (5:37 pm)
Well basically you are rigth, it has been a problem of execution at their plant in Alabama due to numerous reasons. Also consider that most of the problems you had are with components parts bougth from suppliers or subcontractors and not manufactured by MB, like switches, electronics, wires, pumps, electric motors, gages, dash, upholstery, suspension and conectors, even the body panels are sub out, the plant all it does is to receive all this stuff and puts it together, nothing is made by MB at their plant in Ala. The only thing genuine is the engine and transmission and drive and that comes from Germany.
The erosion in quality especially with the ML has reached scandalous proportions in the German press to the point that the new CEO admited the situation and in a press interview in Spain he said it was his personal agenda to reverse this situation and the first steps have been implemented to clamp down on suppliers and their quality to the risk of losing their contracts.
#6516 of 8199 '99 or '00 ML320? Please help
Jul 25, 2002 (5:57 pm)
I am in the market for a used SUV. To make a long story short we (wife and I) drove a new ML320 today and loved it. My budget only allows a used one.
From what I understand, the '00 model had the 3rd seat access modified as well as the 3rd seat removal. Is the "early" 3rd seat access (tilting forward of the 2nd seat) and removal that bad?
The '02 (same as '00) had extremely easy access and removal. Salesman said earlier ones were a PIA.
Please comment - anyone!
'00 T&C soon to be ML320