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Mercedes-Benz M-Class, Mercedes-Benz ML55 AMG, SUV
#5177 of 8199 Hesitation Fix offered by MB
Sep 28, 2001 (4:23 am)
Hey guys. Picked up the ML320 yesterday. Turns out the guy who was bs-ing me about the amp being added was fired the day before. I did, however, speak to the district service rep. The problem with hesitation seems to be in the anti-knock sensor software. Sit down-Mercedes offered fix, "at this time", is to put 87 octane fuel in the truck. I'm NOT kidding. He says this is working well to correct the problem. I'm not too happy with that solution, as it does seem counterintuitive on a $45k vehicle that first recommended 91 premium.
I may pursue further action, but wanted you all to know what I was told yesterday.
ON another note, I've been waiting to see the Everest Green 2002 color, has anyone seen it, and is it finally a true black-green color without the yellow mixed in?
Sep 28, 2001 (4:59 am)
Where were those pics taken? Is this a new Mondeo in the background of the second rollover picture, or is it a Mirage (a Mitsu Mirage, that is)?
Believeing he needs glasses Tarik
#5179 of 8199 Factory Delivery
Sep 28, 2001 (5:23 am)
I picked up my white/java, M1, M2, M5, Bose ML-320 at the factory on 9/21/2001. It was a great experience and well worth the trip. Currently they are not allowing tours of the factory because of security reasons. They do promise you that you will get a free tour whenever it's available again. They do take you on the off-road course though. It's great and you really get a sense of what your vehicle is capable of. I also received a copy of the kids video, which is actually pretty good.
Elizabeth is the MB person that handles factory deliveries and she is a real joy to work with. She did everything she could to make the factory delivery a positive experience.
By the time I had driven the 770 miles back home, I was in love with this truck and so happy that I waited for the MY02. I wouldn't even think about buying a
MY01. I held off purchasing the NAV because I'm waiting for the DVD version. The Bose premium option is worth the money in my opinion.
I bought mine through a dealer in CA who saved me allot of money and doesn't play games. In fact he is one of the most honest auto dealers I have ever had the pleasure to work with.
Good luck with your purchase.
#5180 of 8199 Auto Adjusting Volume?
Sep 28, 2001 (5:24 am)
This car has that? I was wondering why the volume on my radio would seem to adjust itself. It has never gone full volume on me. It does seem to get quiet and louder at will. Where is this in the manual? I thought I was fairly thorough reading it.
#5181 of 8199 Safety & Tires
Sep 28, 2001 (5:28 am)
I have enjoyed reading everyone's comments and recently acquired a '99 430. Input here helped with the decision and I am really enjoying the vehicle. It is interesting to see the accident pictures and see how well the vehicle fared - I hope I never find out first hand. A great indication of a vehicle, I think, is insurance rates. My other vehicle is a '97 GMC Suburban and insurance coverage is less for the '99 430!
Regarding tires - are the Continental and Dunlap new models for the M class (430 in particular). I am presuming Mercedes did not change the size and had not seen the 275/55-17 listed for these tires before. I had the Contacts on BMWs in the past and liked them. Now living in MN I need a tire that will handle snow well and would like to hear experience with various tires.
I've also been looking at the MDX to replace the Suburban and am also considering another ML. Several people have said they chose the ML over MDX and specific reasons would be helpful.
#5182 of 8199 Auto volume
Sep 28, 2001 (5:43 am)
Drew - yeah, I am pleased with the auto volume feature. It appears to be functioning properly. These random occurances of going to full volume (plus 1 occurance of volume to zero) are not a function of that feature IMHO. They happen randomly while nothing else is going on.
Re: auto volume - I had the radio on when I activated the panic button shortly after taking ownership. My dealer told me to test the system after you let the paperwork clear. Well, the radio volume lowered and the lady from Mercedes spoke through the stereo system at a comfortable volume over the radio. Just like how the navigation lady talks over the radio. It works very well, but I do not think it is related to my problem. I personally think there is a problem with the gizmo attached to the volume knob. Perhaps it is settling in between bumps and a road bump makes it loose track of where it is.
#5183 of 8199 Kito - my MDX versus ML comparison.
Sep 28, 2001 (6:08 am)
Breaks down as follows:
More car like ride, better acceleration, more cargo space.
More luxurious, safer, better handling. A real 4WD truck, not a car based imposter.
You'll find a lot of bad press about early ML reliability - but from 00 on (and 01 seems to be the cutoff point for the problems), they stabilized. The MDX is a new vehicle, and despite relatively good quality for an initial run, they have their problems as well (thuds, weeping mirrors, pinging during acceleration, etc.).
I mentioned safer - the MDX recently tested with excellent crash scores, however, it lacks many of the safety features that make the M-class superior. First off - a look at Drew's accident pictures will tell you just how strong it is in the event of a rollover, and there's no data or pics yet for the MDX. Second - the lack of an electronic stability program - which consumer reports rates highly on their list for safety features of SUVs. Third - other smaller items, like rear side airbags and curtain airbags, active braking systems, tele-aid, etc. MB is ahead of the game when it comes to safety.
Luxury - let's face it - the MDX is a Honda Accord. I'm no fan of the Accord - some people are, and I won't bash it. But on the list of luxury cars, Accord isn't there. The interior luxury of the MDX is poor, with cheap feeling leather and fake wood everywhere.
Third row seating - more substantial in the ML, if you plan to go that route. You can move the second row seats up, so that everyone can shift around until everyone's comfortable. The only thing I disliked here was the way the third row stored - I'd much rather it's in the floor like the MDX and Explorer - but it's a small price to pay for what amount to real seats for passengers in the cargo area.
Gadgetry - something that scores points with me. I keep reading my brochure, and keep finding nifty little gadgets that I am sure I will love in the ML. The MDX does have some nice ergonomic features, but it ends there. I won't even list the gadgets - pick up a brochure and start reading. You'll go nuts if you like that kind of stuff.
Handling - the MDX does have a smoother ride, no doubt about it. But it's also louder, and lacks a real 4WD. ML gives you TouchShift - which I liked a LOT. Most luxury cars have this nowadays, and although I wasn't specifically shopping for it, it felt soooooo good changing gears to pass on the Belt Parkway with it. Steering was better in the ML, and I liked the braking as well.
Visibility - I liked the ML better, but not by that much. Could be a preference thing, but my brother-in-law said he hated visibility in the MDX. A height thing? Who knows.
Offroad - nobody knows squat about the longevity of the VTM system, and how well it'll perform under duress or offroad situations. Don't know if you plan to go offroad; if you do, forget the MDX. It's lack of a transfer case makes it an SUV in name alone.
Durability - someone offered this advice - crawl under both vehicles, and see how they're built. Good advice - I won't prejudice you on this. Look for yourself and you'll see
Customer service - this might vary by region, but Acura in NY provides THE WORST customer service known to mankind. I have seen better treatment at Hyundai dealers. MB - I was treated with nothing but class. I bought from a dealer who does Valet Pickup, and will drop off a loaner. Acura - wouldn't even promise I'd get a loaner. Nice guys - I got exactly 10 minutes to test drive the car, then they were very rude - explaining how unless I wanted to buy a fully loaded (with dealer options, at ridiculous MSRP+ prices) car, the ones on the lot were only for leasing customers.
Value - an oft given argument for the MDX. If you discount the luxury, the MDX is a better value. I for one would wait for the Honda version if this is the case. The MDX charges you for a luxury car, and you certainly don't get one. Is the MB overpriced? I don't think so, although the Japanese counterparts can beat it by anywhere from 1-2k. In this case, I figure if you're spending $40k+ for a car, why not spend the extra 1-2k, and get exactly what you want?
If you're leasing, it's a no-brainer - MB throws in scheduled maintenance.
The ML is cheaper to insure, by about 10-15% (I priced in NY - I can't see it being any other way someplace elese).
I don't have my 02 yet, but I've been driving my cousin's 01. 02 MY had a LOT of improvement - I can tell simply from the test drive - but I cannot wait for this car. I'm sure I'll love it.
Test them for yourself though - and if you really want to make it worthwhile, get them both in on the same day. You'll see for yourself what vehicle suits you best.
If you're still not happy with the ML, I'd still go for the RX300, unless you *REALLY* need cargo space, in which case that won't do. The RX300 was a very solid car, although not as safe as the ML, and I would have gone that way if price and space were issues. The MDX is getting a lot of press, but it is the new kid on the block. When the Honda SUV hits the road, I'm sure you'll see some discount starting.
One thing - pass up on the 01 for the 02, unless you're really reaching the height of your budget. The 02's improvements were well worth it.
Sep 28, 2001 (6:20 am)
If safety is an issue and you regularly travel w/ a full load of passengers and cargo, I wouldn't get the RX300. You go over the payload relatively easily. There was a Dateline or 20/20 that went over this in detail.
Sep 28, 2001 (6:28 am)
You got to be kidding right? What other problems are going to crop up with that advice... louder engine, poor fuel economy, etc. etc.
I am going to test drive the '02 ML on Saturday and see if it has any of these problems.
thanks to all who have warned us.
#5186 of 8199 Gregg and factory delivery
Sep 28, 2001 (6:33 am)
Glad to see that you safely made it back home. Thanks for the update and sorry you couldn't do the factory tour. I hope its back on when I get there in late October.
How was the delivery portion of your experience?