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#3550 of 8199 Skyview - imissmyslk
Jun 09, 2001 (6:42 pm)
I told my kids the SLK was a perfect family car -just room for Mommy and me! They weren't amused.
Never had a sunroof before and was concerned about the skyview roof's complexity. I chatted on Yahoo's Mercedes board and found a Benz mechanic who said its a little more complex and has two motors. But he said the only ones he ever had to repair always came in with lots of little kids who kept opening and closing the roof. Its not a toy nor meant to run non-stop.
The dealer lent me a 2001 for 2 days with a conventional sunroof while they were working on my ML so I had a chance to compare them.
When closed, the skyroof is definitely noisier. The sunroof closed causes no noise. The skyroof closed has wind noise you will hear, but I don't think its any more noticeably than the windnoise around the Lexus RX300's mirrors. It is constant on the highway at 70mph but not intrusive and you don't play the stereo any louder to cover it.
When open, I actually prefer the skyroof because of the oversized air deflector. With the roof wide open and the windows closed the front passengers don't feel any breeze (you may even need A/C). My kids love the back seat and say it is just like a convertible. Their friends ooh and aah over it.
When the skyview is slightly open, the deflector keeps the airflow under control.
When open, the sunroof on the highway seems too noisy to me. On the regular streets it seems insignicant in size. Certainly the back seat doesn't participate in it.
I bought my ML despite the skyview roof not because of it (this ML was one year old). Now that the weather is nice in Cleveland, I love it. And I can't imagine having an ML without it. In So Cal you could use it all year so it be great!
Can't comment on prices. Posts from SoCal seem to cheaper than here because you have so many more dealers in competition. As a starting point, did you see what carsdirect.com is asking?
#3551 of 8199 djdj/dealer probs
Jun 10, 2001 (5:17 am)
Good for you. I guess I am one of those guys who will keep pounding until I get what was promised. I bought a new ML last year, dealership was splendid but I had loads of rattle, creaks and wind noise and the CD when out 3 times. I wrote to MBZ and cc letter to dealership and guess what I got a $400 credit to be used on ML. Must admit though it was not overnight and had to keep on going cob the expectation is that "keep dragging problems long enough and customer will get tired". I must add though I enjoy the ML (it is with the wife) I may be going for the GS 300/400 Lexus. Sadly after many years of Mercedes I will be calling it quits bec of probs with ML and not forgetting it is going to be (sooner or later) an American made Mercedes be it the CLs or the SLs and of course the ML is American. Nothing against American made but I wud have gotten an Explorer if I wanted the engineering and workmanship of an American made vehicle. Last word, the people on this site are brilliant and I do thank you guys/gals for all the information.
Jun 10, 2001 (8:59 am)
I just checked prices are carsdirect.com and it indicated that there are factory to dealer incentives on the 2001 ML 320's through 6/30. Anyone know how much?
#3553 of 8199 MY 2002 and 3rd Row Seat Thoughts
Jun 10, 2001 (2:57 pm)
Just thought I'd remind anyone wanting the 3rd row option and who will be using it regularly they should consider waiting for the 2002 models. Up to this point there has been no rear A/C vents for the rear passengers. This can be an issue if you live in the South or in a humid climate. The new 2002 models have a beefed up A/C system which will benefit both the front and rear passengers and there are vents at the rear of the center armrest with blower controls that will directly aid rear passengers in both Winter and Summer.
We may see the new models in August. It really isn't that long of a wait considering the size of the purchase. If you consider the fact that any of the older models including the 2001's will depreciate with the new facelift and available options you may not have such a "real" difference in price... that is if you weigh the fact that you will sell the 2002's for more than the 2001's in the future.
Jun 10, 2001 (5:49 pm)
I just purchased a 2001 ML320 last week and my husband has a 2000 E320. Both from the facility in Omaha. From what I understand, with the new move coming up and the demand for having so many car washed was taking too long. I don't blame them. I just got the MB car washing kit and have my son do it now!!!! I love my new ML and took it for a drive to Lincoln, NE and it handled great. The people at the MB dealership are nice people and Michelle took excellent care of my family.
#3555 of 8199 imissmyslk - ML320 factory to dealer incentive
Jun 10, 2001 (7:52 pm)
Hi, I just had a chat with one of Cars Direct's sales associates. He would not specifically tell me what the rebate amount was. Anyhow, I live in Cleveland and I intend to lease a ML from Motorcars West. They were very open about the $2500 factory to dealer incentive. I'll try to get them to drop another $1000 and loose the $475 acquisition fee. MB's money factor is a little high but the residual makes up for it.
First time visitor to this forum. Love to read all the messages. Keep up the good work guys.
#3556 of 8199 New speaker location on '02
Jun 11, 2001 (1:12 am)
In Wolfgang's excellent picture
of the '02 interior (it is also in the current issue of German auto mag AutoBild), one can (with the help of the EagleEye!) also see another new feature which has been sorely missed: Finally there are speakers in the sail panels! This should provide a better listening experience for those of us whose ears are not attached to the ankles I wonder whether these panels would be retrofittable to older models?? I would guess yes, especially as the '01 and '02 models have the same interior colors - while the panels on older models will probably fit, there will be a difference in color.
#3557 of 8199 More importantly
Jun 11, 2001 (5:51 am)
I would like that Cubby hole cover for my center console.
#3558 of 8199 Thor-3rd row seats
Jun 11, 2001 (6:23 am)
Love your posts man. Rear a/c vents is a great idea. I thing all "family" cars should come with them. A friend has a RX300, and the rear vents aren't that great. The best rear a/c I saw was on a Durango. It was the middle of summer in Texas, and it felt like I was in a winter storm. Will the ML rear a/c have seperate controls or be just an additional vent? Take care.
#3559 of 8199 MB PowerTrip event
Jun 11, 2001 (7:04 am)
I just attended MB Power Trip event in FL this weekend. Beautiful display, lots of nice cars. Dissapointing driving experience. Having been to BMW's 3 and X5 debuts, I was expecting some similar instruction and the ability to "Test" the cars. The test track was closely monitored, and after driving a CL500 agressivly, but never hitting a cone, I was asked to please be a little more respectful. Then drove an E430 Sport and was very dissapointed (with the car and the setup). The car tended to plow very heavily when pushed hard through the slalom (40mph), and even though they made you wait for the car ahead to get 1/2 way down the track, I came up on the person running about 15mph in the SLK in front of me and idled through the rest of the course.
The Hot laps were great. Initially only two E55's ad one S55 running. First run in an E55. Driver had ESP off the entire time and exceeded 90mph on most of the run! Great fun. Next lap in an S55. ESP on entire run (never saw triangle lie up) and driver was rather timid with the car, saying he had been asked to take it easy ( I think he may have been a little intimidated by the car as he had lengthy discussions with some of the other drivers prior to our run). An ML55 was sitting there, and later was available to ride upon request. Later a CLK55, 2 E55's, S55, and CL55 were running. After waiting in line for a ride in the CL55 which was definitely being driven hard (lots of tail slides and hard running) the CLK pulls up, HUGE amounts of brake smoke. A few cool down laps and they started up again with that car, but were definitely running slower. In the midst of this, the CL completely misses the last turn, blows through the cones, over the other lane (just missing an E55) through the barriers of the parking lot, between our parked cars and into the main drive! I thought the rider was getting a really extended test drive, but obviously something went really bad. Amazingly the only damage (done by cones) was a crack in the front air dam and a broken fog light! Needless to say, that was the end of the CL55 running in the hot laps, and by that time one of the E55's and the S55 had dropped out as well. With only two cars running, the line was huge. I ended up getting out of line and watching a display of the traction system (roller ramp) and the "Frame twister" with the truck on offset ramps, Passenger front and driver rear wheels off the ground, and people hanging on the outside bouncing the car off each wheel.
All in all a fun morning, but not nearly as much fun as BMW's use of driving instructors and racing events (both in the 3 and X. cars). Many people I spoke with had been at those events and felt the same way. I was hoping to sharpen my skills, but ended up taking some nice rides.
Only saw one person being flagged after taking out 3/4 of the cones in the CL500.
Perhaps the most dissapointing (but understandable) aspect was information on new models. The new C-class wagon and coupe were there, but the current E-class and ML were the only ones displayed. As this was somewhat of a selling event, I would have thought that they might have said something about the '02 models. At the hotlap section, one gentleman from MBNA said they were awaiting info on the forthcoming SLK32. Funny, Automobile Magazine just did a four page spread on the car. I asked him about this and he looked at me like I was from Mars! I was a little dissapointed that they wouldn't share any information especially as I expressed my interest in both the new E and ML. I guess the're just letting the dealers do this as needed.