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Mercedes-Benz M-Class, Mercedes-Benz ML55 AMG, SUV
#2210 of 8199 Shelbyt1
Mar 10, 2001 (8:13 pm)
I am the owner of 2001 ML 320. In the beginning I experienced a few minor rattles and squeaks, that the dealer was able to fix without too much trouble. Other than this car has been great and I'm not exaggerating. Before I owned the M-Class I owned a Chrysler Town and Country, which was, as people say "soulless", but the M-Class is a joy to drive. I often find myself taking the longer way to get somewhere, just because I love driving in the car. I never really saw the joy of driving until I bought this car and now Mercedes has won a customer for life, just because of the driving feel and excitement it invokes! As thor8 said the steering feel of the car is like no other and the sophistication of the 4wd system, snow wise, is superior to any other car out there.
#2211 of 8199 Bi-Xenon / Litronic Bifunction Xenon
Mar 10, 2001 (10:55 pm)
Hi, does anyone know what other cars have these ?
As far as my research goes the following have them:
1. Mercedes CL
2. Porchse 991 Turbo
3. VW Passat Sport [optional]
Anyone know any good resources that would be helpful ? Appreciate it.Thanx.
Mar 11, 2001 (12:01 am)
That seems to be it....the MB CL-class, the Porsche 911 Turbo, and the VW Passat (optional). Bob did mention that his brother's 911 was retrofitted with Bi-Xenon Litronics as well. I'll try to dig up the specs and post it on Photopoint. I thought they were up, but it appears that Photopoint ate up most of my earlier uploads.
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#2213 of 8199 Comand System & TV
Mar 11, 2001 (4:15 am)
I'm the prospective owner of a MC-lass car in Germany. Can anyone tell me whether there is an option to get TV reception via the Command system?
#2214 of 8199 Reliability issues?
Mar 11, 2001 (7:10 am)
Seems to me that a lot of the reliability issues and questions are being brought up by non-owners or perhaps perspective buyers. Where are they getting their info? I have seen a few posts by people having trouble from day one, but who could be surprised by that? Cars are so complicated these days, and the M-Class is by no means an exception here. Considering the large number of vehicle manufactured, statistically one would expect a percentage of 'lemons'. I am a relatively new owner, but I have been limited to complaining to my dealer about such serious things as brake squeek and slow windows. On the other hand, I do see a high percentage of '98 models on the used market. Perhaps this continues to contribute to whatever bad press we may be suffering. I am more than pleased with my ML. Limited wheel artriculation aside, recent weather conditions here in the northeast have helped me realize the benifits of the traction control system far beyond my expectations. I like it.
Mar 11, 2001 (7:48 am)
dt77: If Drew still has it I sent him a whole article on the Porsche Litronic system. My brothers Porsche has it and he loves it. If Drew doesn't still have it I'll find it and re scan it.
#2216 of 8199 Reliability issues
Mar 11, 2001 (8:40 am)
When I bougth my ML430 I bougth it at face value, meaning I did not go around reserching the vehicle and comparing statistics,etc. A few months later I started reading a few reports in car magazines, I remember reading things like, completely unreliable, terrible quality, is at the bottom of our list, etc. I thought, may, what have I done. As time went by and reading here at Edmunds I started realizing that there was nothing wrong with the vehicle, If I started reading those articles before my purchase I probably would not have bougth my ML, I think that was irresponsable journalism, they should have instead reported accurately, what specific is wrong with the vehicle, like mostly trim and fit, instead of giving the impression that is nothing but a piece of junk and also completely worthless off the road. That is the notion that persists to this day.
I am one of the few that took the tour at the alabama plant, being from an egineering background I quickly understood, the engine and drive train comes from germany, the rest, all of it, has been sub out to U.S manufactures, for instance the body panels are stamped by a company in Ohio if I remember correctly, in their own dies and then shipped to the plant to be assembled, the dash and all the instrumentation is made by Delphi, and then as a complete unit is shiped to the plant and so it goes for every component, but at the assembly line is where things get to me a little fussy, is so highly automated and modular that there is hardly any human intervention, is fast and efficient but I saw very little checking afterwards in other words complete trust in that the component was installed properly, for instance I saw how the complete door panel and window assembly went into the door in seconds, it seemed to me that some checking had to be done to make sure all, is fit and snug and is not the customer the one that hears the the litle squick or rattle on the window, to my eyes, it was to much trust on automation.
#2217 of 8199 Reliability Issues
Mar 11, 2001 (8:46 am)
I think most of the prospective buyers are reading the Consumer Reports and as far as I remember, CR mentions that ML has some reliability issues. (CR Special Issue for Sport Utility) They're saying that were it not for the continued reliability problems, they would've chosen it as one of their recommended SUV's.
#2218 of 8199 Matthias
Mar 11, 2001 (9:17 am)
There is an option for TV reception in COMAND systems, but I would think that your German dealer knows more about this issue. Here in the US it most definitely not available for liability reasons. Warum schreibst du nicht einmal an MB's Kundencenter: https://dialog.mercedes-benz.com/MB/d/Loginframe.htm?_back=www.mercedes-benz.com/d/default.htm. Folge dort der Länderauswahl (ich glaube den Fernseher im ML gibt es nur in D) und beschreibe deine Anfrage.
#2219 of 8199 Reliability issues
Mar 11, 2001 (9:41 am)
Gpvs, That is a perfect example, "continued reliability problems" I remember that one, I will repond with a question, what do you all understand for an "unreliable vehicle". My understanding is that the vehicle is so undependable that there is a good chance, it will not deliver you from one point to another or somewhere in between it will quit. If that is not the definition, then, what do we call a vehicle that behaves in that way?..... Unruly?
We all know that the ML's are not spilling their guts on the road in masses, I had vehicles that rattled, things feel off, the dash rotted, windows did not work, the radio burnt out, but the thing cranked every day and never quit on me, I certainly could not call it unreliable, I could call it anything but that.
I have read other forums, and read things like, at 5000 miles my tranny went out, the dealer installed a new one and now is giving me problems again, someone else will intercede with me too, and another, I had the same problem, etc, How about calling that unreliable, surpringly the magazines are silent in that area, lumping the ML in the bottom of the pile is definitely wrong, I know there are some definite dogs out there that are more deserving, the ML is a technical beauty way ahead of the pack.