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#2088 of 8199 Re: Price of ML320
Mar 05, 2001 (12:29 am)
Getting an ML below invoice will get more likely as you get closer to end of year production. The fact that you are having to wait 8 weeks may put you very close to this point. If and when Mercedes finally announces the 2002 ML with new features and minor facelift the dealers will be very willing to deal on 2001 models.
You are getting a very good price for the moment but this will change with the above mentioned. Using holdback for a greater discount is not as likely as getting an "additional" discount due to an increased end-of-year holdback or manufacturer to dealer incentive. Remember that the sales person does not likely get any of the normal 3% holdback - this is a dealer incentive and is not paid at time of dealer purchase but is usually paid at specific times during the year depending on the dealers allotment and floor planing. In other words, the dealer does not see the 3% at the time of your purchase.
Anyway, you will certainly be following the upcoming model changes and this will start the dealers dealing the way they are with you currently. Don't be surprised if a month or so after you take delivery the ML even greater below dealer invoice pricing is common. At some point this year Mercedes will likely determine an increased dealer holdback or incentive is necessary to clear out the 2001's prior to the new 2002 ML's arriving. I think the severity of the discount will be determined by how significant the changes are and how this impacts dealers inventory. If 2001 inventory stops moving due to customers waiting for new models the incentives will be greater.
My final comment - It seems to me that if you are able to wait 8 weeks and you already know that there will be significant amenities changes and a minor facelift that you should hold out a bit longer. This way you can either take advantage of above mentioned end-of-year discounts or if you see the 2002 ML has a better standard appointment package you might decide to wait. I have said this here more than once - it is a bummer to purchase a $40K vehicle of any sort to see it replaced a few months later with new appointments and such. 2002 will be one of those significant years in getting the latest and greatest Mercedes has to offer in the SUV line.
Good Luck - Frank
#2089 of 8199 The Euro removable hitch for ML's
Mar 05, 2001 (2:41 am)
These pages were scanned from my ML's manual, and shows better than photos how the Euro ML's has a "hideaway" trailer hitch:
Kind regards from rainy Luxyland
#2090 of 8199 Euro Hitch
Mar 05, 2001 (4:34 am)
birger, I wonder if the lighter weight trailers in Europe have anything to do with that hitch design?
It also looks like maybe the trailer balls are standardized in Europe Vs North America where we have a great number of ball sizes used by the different manufactures and weight's of towed vehicles here.
Thanks for the photos!!!!
#2091 of 8199 strength of hitch?
Mar 05, 2001 (5:35 am)
Thanks for the pics Birger. It's always great to see what things are like in other countries. That looks so strange to us here
All the hitches here look like hollow bars (square hole you plug something into). I like the bike racks that plug into our hitches.
Does your hitch have a maximum weight rating (our are rated for 5000lbs)? It doesn't look like it would be that strong from the width of the hook.
Is the first picture of a plug for the hitch hole so it doesn't get dirty?
#2092 of 8199 Slippery Conditions- Re post 1999.
Mar 05, 2001 (10:57 am)
Wneil, you are completely wrong on your advice under sever conditions. If you must choose between your ABS system and using a lower gear on very slippery conditions- always use the ABS system. The reason is the ABS system can actually compensate if the vehicle starts to gain speed going down hill. Under very slippery conditions (like ice) the engine braking from the lower gear wants to hold the speed steady or even slow it down, this can cause the tries to skid and loose steering control. The traction control system may or may not engage under these conditions, because it may not be "informed" of a skid if all wheels are sliding equal. Nevertheless, in this type of condition the engine will try to hold back the truck -even it has to slide the tries to get it's way. If you use the brakes the ABS system will calculate the speed increase and brake according to prevent a skid. I have had this experience first hand in a 99 Chevrolet Blazer. I was coming down a mountainside on a road with no guardrails that was completely covered with ice. I was unable to turn around and had to proceed with the family in the truck. I tried to use low gear but it became clear that low gear was going to get us killed as the engine would not gain speed as the truck went down hill because it was easier to slide the tires. I was only going a few miles per hour but there was not enough traction for the tires to hold the truck at that speed. I shifted back into "drive" and pushed on the brake pedal as hard as I could and listened to the ABS system pulse down the entire mountain. The secrete is to NOT pump the brakes. The truck actually started to gain speed in some areas but the ABS system kept the truck under control and I had steering control even on ice. I am not sure of the duty cycle on the ABS system but it did not fail under these conditions under constant use. I was not in a ML but I suspect the ABS system is at least as good as GMs. This advice should hold for all cars and trucks since I do not know of a traction control system that can give the engine throttle to prevent a slide. A ML may never see conditions like that but this information maybe helpful to someone.
#2093 of 8199 Gray bumper on a white 2000 ML-320
Mar 05, 2001 (11:13 am)
Hi. I'm about to buy a 2000 ML-320 (White). Quick question: The bumpers & fender cover are gray. Should I be concerned? I thought the bumper & fender were painted body color in the 2000's...
Mar 05, 2001 (11:23 am)
Year 2000, the front and rear bumper as well as the side door molding is painted the same color of the exterior of the ML. Either the bumpers have been replaced, or it is not a 2000 ML
Mar 05, 2001 (11:30 am)
Glad that you were avoided that guardrail! But ABS does not calculate the speed increase and brake according to prevent a skid. ABS does not really even know that the vehicle is skidding.
Even if the above was true for your GM truck, but that's not exactly how the ML works. It sounds to me like you were going too fast and your GM truck's transmission did not want to shift to a lower gear to gain revs as it would've hit the rev limiter (you probably need to have the overdrive switch off in order to force it to downshift). That's why you noticed no increase in engine speed.
What I do is slow down far ahead of time using engine braking and ABS. It seems to be the best way to get the vehicle to stop on a slippery slope.
FYI, the ML knows that it is sliding because it has a stability control system that monitors the angle that the steering wheel is being turnedl vs. the direction that the vehicle is actually going (using lateral and yaw sensors in addition to the wheel speed sensors). It will apply the brakes to the necessary wheels and reduce throttle if needed.
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#2096 of 8199 ML320 vs Lexus RX300
Mar 05, 2001 (11:37 am)
A friend is considering purchasing one of these two vehicles.Does anyone know where I can find a head to head comparison of the ML vs the RX ?
#2097 of 8199 Gray Bumpers + Upgradable MCS question
Mar 05, 2001 (11:37 am)
That's what I thought. It's definately a 2000 ML (VIN matches) and I'm not finding any accident data. I'll check a bit more.
BTW, the MCS on this ML-320 only has CD functionality. Is there an aftermarket upgrade so I can enable Nav & cell?