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Jeep Grand Cherokee, SUV
#907 of 2515 tloke-I did catch that but how does that put MDX behind JGC?
Feb 18, 2002 (5:51 pm)
I will agree with you that the JGC outsells the MDX. It outsells many outstanding SUV's as well. In January JGC was in the top 5 in sales volume. In emergency handling the MDX got a below average rating. But, so did the JGC. One owner's view of what he or she discussed above - thud,steering problem adjusment, balancing of tires, road noise louder than expected, uncomfortable seats. While these are not favorable atributes that any luxurious SUV should have they are not nearly as offensive to me as poor designed brake rotors that fail prematurely, poorly designed rear end differntials, poorly designed sending units that allow you to run out of gas but your gas gage says you've got over a 1/4 of a tank,and countless transmission failures. Maybe, some of these problems are from older JGC's but then Chrysler has been making the JGC since about 1993. Why have these same old problems not been addressed on 98 And 99 models? Most of the problems I have listed on the JGC are the same problems that have been documented on earlier model years. Why does Chrysler not correct these well known documented design flaws?
Belive me, I have no axe to grind with you and I am sorry if I may have been somewhat harsh as the moderator of this forum has noted. For that I apologize. I do see why the Jeep Grand Cherokee's sell. First of all they look great, they ride nice, their V-8 has plenty of power. The 4wheel drive capabilities are stellar. If the problems I had with mine didn't happen I can tell you I would be praising this vehicle also. Aside from the quality issues it is a very nice truck. And I would agree with Edmund's asessment of the JGC that because of the quality control issues the vehicle could not be fully endorsed by them. Enjoy your ride!
#908 of 2515 Fanman - not entirely correct
Feb 18, 2002 (7:05 pm)
I'm really a lurker and usually only read (and learn) rather than post but I don't think you're being fair with post 868. All vehicles have individual problems so I don't think it's fair to list all that you've heard or read about. Go stand at any brand's service writers desk and you could write a book. I wouldn't attribute "balancing of tires or steering adjustments" as a JGC across the board problem. "Road noise" louder that expected????
C'mon this is a Jeep that people forget is a true off roader not a yuppie mobile such as Cadillac, Lincoln, Lexus, BMW or the other "SUV's" that have never seen dirt. You can't have it both ways - either off road capable or comfy ride.
Seats - I think the seats in my 98 ZJ are more comfortable than those in my daughters FZJ80 (Land Cruiser).
Yes, the rotors in JGC ZJs and WJs do warp and I can't understand why Chrysler doesn't spend the $10 a unit and upgrade them. The gas tank sending unit problem was a 97/early 98 problem and was covered under warranty. I do not know what you're referring to about transmission/rear diff problems. I frequent the Jeep board from another group in which the members go off road all the time such as the Rubicon Trail, Moab, etc, and they have never mentioned trans problems and seldom talk of rear diff difficulties. Of course there are some differentials blown and repaired due to severe off roading. (Everyone should look at TRUE off roading sites - you would think that Jeeps should not go "there" and I agree; you would have to see to believe. I've never seen a Caddy, Lincoln - or even Suburbans there). The 98 ZJs are very good vehicles, the newer 99WJs had some start up problems but now the 2000/1/2 are mostly doing well. "The noisy wheel gets the most grease" or the people with vehicle problems post the most because they feel "taken". In summary - JGCs shouldn't be singled out; if you are going to criticize one; criticize all.
#909 of 2515 Fanman8/ MDX Vs Jeep
Feb 18, 2002 (8:29 pm)
Fanman8, I guess all I really want to see on the message boards is a more balanced assessment of the different vehicles out there when talking about "reliability" or fit and finish. It just seems that everyone really comes down so hard on Jeeps while at the same time sings the praises of the "imports". I have spent massive amounts of time during the past year or two reading various boards representing all of the different SUV manufacturers, and I have to say every single one of them has plenty of problems to discuss. In fact, Jeep is not even near the top of the list for most problems and annoyances noted.
The rotor problem that the Jeeps have had is really inexcusable as it has gone on for so many years. I, like so many others cannot begin to fathom why DC has not solved this problem once and for all. And yes, even the brand new 2002 Jeeps have the same old crappy rotors. Unbelievable, really. Rotors aside, though, the new 2001 and 2002 models have indeed come a long way from the horrors of the 1999 model year. Like Olizer, I have not heard of trans or rear end problems.
I recently spoke with a friend of mine who is the Service Manager at a major Ford dealer. I was telling him I got a new Jeep and joked about the fact that I would probably have to get the rotors replaced in a few months as it seemed to be a "Jeep problem". He said that no, it's not only Jeeps with cheap rotors, it's a lot of the SUVs out there that are using "car rotors" that were not designed for "trucks" and that I would not believe how many Explorer's come through his shop with the exact same problem - warped rotors. And yet, one hardly ever reads about rotor problems in anything but Jeeps.
Fanman8, apology accepted...
And Olizer, you are dead on here: "In summary - JGCs shouldn't be singled out; if you are going to criticize one; criticize all"!
Feb 18, 2002 (9:13 pm)
Welcome aboard! We're glad you finally decided to come out of the shadows and join the discussion. I have a theory that we can learn a lot from lurkers if only they'd speak up!
C'mon lurkers - hint hint!
Feb 19, 2002 (6:56 am)
"#860 Jeep Reliabilty by milous
Well I think I will step back from the controversy here and just say that I am a very pleased 2002 JGC owner."
How can you comment on reliability? It is less than a year old. Come back in 2 or 3 years and tell us how reliable it is.
THAT is why the 1997, 1998, 1999 opinions are important here.
Feb 19, 2002 (7:00 am)
Thanks for that link.
I wish Texas were a bit closer to Massachusetts.
I also wish Jeep would bring back that car.
I saw one once at the Cape with the fake woodgrain gone and real wood in it place put on with authentic brass screws! It was the coolest, classiest looking wagon/suv I have ever seen!
#913 of 2515 Jeep Reliability
Feb 19, 2002 (10:01 am)
I recently purchased (in November) a 1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo SE, 6-cyl, select trac. It had 49K on it when I bought it and had 2 previous owners, one was a lady who leased it for 3 years and the other was a guy who only owned it for 6 months (he traded it for a minivan, needed more room).
I went to the Jeep dealer to pull service records on the Jeep......none found, in other words it had never been in for service. I have had zero problems with it and it appears the previous owners had zero problems with it too. It currently has 57K on it and I plan on keeping it until it hits at least 150K.
I can't say for a minute that my Jeep isn't reliable, I love it. BTW, this is my second Jeep GC and its more reliable than my last one, although my 94 GC wasn't bad by any means, just a little leaky at times.
#914 of 2515 Factory Roof Rack on 2000 JGC
Feb 19, 2002 (11:24 am)
Does anyone know how to remove the factory cross bars on roofrack of the 2000 JGC? I have a Yakima system attached to the rails, but the factory crossbars are in the way. With my Explorer, I was able to loosen a couple of screws and slide them off, but I can't figure these out. I've seen other JGC's without the cross bars so there must be a way to get them off.
#915 of 2515 '00 GCL Fuel Pump & Noise
Feb 19, 2002 (11:32 am)
My '00 GCL Quadra-Drive V-8 is on the second fuel pump and needs a third due to faulty check valve. The valve let's fuel siphon back to the tank and thus there is no pressure at the injectors when you start the car. It will eventually start, but only after 20-30 seconds of cranking. Anyone else have this difficulty?
I've also gone through 3 sets of pads and s 2est of rotors in 28k. Similar problem on my '97 Suburban, although '00 Tahoe was OK. Seems the rotors are just to small/thin and get excessively hot. As posted earlier, if the mfg's. would just spent 10 bucks more when specing the part, they'd save a ton in warranty costs.
Otherwise, noisy, thirsty and rough riding, but goes anywhere and is the perfect size. Wouldn't buy another one, but not totally unhappy with the Jeep.