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#7464 of 8191 Pathfinder or 4Runner? Undecided
Jun 14, 2004 (6:14 pm)
Hello everyone. Here is new meat. Looking for objective opinions on this choice. Looking for a sturdy, responsive, and reliable V6 mid size SUV. I'm stepping out of an Audi A6 2.7T so reasonable performance & handling are strong requirements.
In looking at the 2 these are the strong points and drawbacks that I see, and would be interested in your opinions. In the Pathfinder I see the reasonable size I am looking for and, until the 2005 model comes out (truly an eye sore), a pretty good looking vehicle. I like the smoothness of the V-6, and the SE comes very well equipped standard. 4 wheel drive is not something I need, nor is a large note with 3 in college. I would be using the lift gate on a daily basis. The drive is smooth and responsive from my test drive. On the down side, I would need to carry several adults in the back seat on a regular basis, and they appeared somewhat cramped, but not unduly so unless you're Yao Ming. Also, it appears that Nissan may have "softened" the Pathfinder into a clone of the Highlander. I know that that it is the other way around. The Pathy was here 1st. But I wonder if Nissan gave up a little too much toughness with it's last design. What do you guys think?
On the 4Runner side, I see a former good looking 2002 style ruined by the last 2003 redesign. No matter how I look at it, it just doesn't grow on me. It has bulked up to what appears to be unwieldy proportions, and almost looks like a Civic Racer put ground effects on it.
On the plus side, the standard 2wheel SR5, is as well equipped as any on the market, and the Runner still seems to retain the toughness that both of these vehicles built their reputations on. My son has a '91 with 142k on it, and aside from a small tranny leak, still runs like a top and draws looks.
In my market, the Runner SR5 can be had for $24k. The Pathfinder SE for about $21.7K Discounts of about $6k off MSRP are routine. Presumably because the 2004 model is a lame duck for dealers now with the advent of the 2005 mini Armada redesign on the way. Both truly ugly, like a large egg on a skateboard. Wouldn't consider the 2005 model. Any thoughts on this decision from the group? 2004 Pathfinder SE or 2004 4Runner SR5?
#7465 of 8191 Re: Pathfinder or 4Runner? Undecided [neo #7464]
Jun 14, 2004 (9:31 pm)
Go with 2004 Pathfinder--proven engine and overall reliability, back seat is adequate, plenty of power, will last you a long time.
Unless you go with 2004 4runner v8 full time 4wd, the 4runner does not compare. Toyota makes great vehicle, but they are always overpriced w/little to no options.
So, for the price (I'm sure they'll be having great rebates with the new redesign coming out), reliability, and decent looks--Pathfinder is the way to go.
#7466 of 8191 Re: Pathfinder or 4Runner? Undecided [neo #7464]
Jun 15, 2004 (10:45 pm)
I was looking at making the same decision 4 months ago. I also looked at the 4 Runner but after sitting in the seat it just didn't feel right for me. The Pathfinder was much more comfortable. The Pathfinder is cramped in the back for adults and does not offer 3rd row seating. I also had no interest in a 2005, just look at the fit and finish of some of Nissan's newer models. I ended up purchasing an 04 Pathfinder LE and couldn't be happier.
#7467 of 8191 2004 Pathfinder SE 4x4 Price
Jun 16, 2004 (5:24 pm)
Dealer in Northern California is offering me a '04 Superblack SE 4x4 with Popular Package, Microfilter, Moldings, and Floor Mats for $24,500. MSRP $30,620 Invoice $28,304 - With the $3250 rebate factored in it looks like its 300 back of invoice. Im not a big negotiator and know the dealer needs to make some money but they dropped there price so quick i wonder if i'm leaving anything on the table here?
#7468 of 8191 Dueller tires, they are fine!
Jun 16, 2004 (6:04 pm)
I think, a lot of people are unfairly biased against Dueller Tires.
My LE has size 245/65R17 factory tires on 17 inch wheels.
To set the record straight...
How many people adjust their tire pressure every month?
Vehicles lose 1 - 1.5 psi every month and if one goes to mountains, tire pressure drops by 2 psi in winters at higher altitudes.
More than 40% of the vehicles on the road are running on improper tire pressure.
This factor alone has significant impact on handling performance and fuel mileage.
I tend to run my 2002 LE (AUTO) 4X4 on 32 psi although facory suggests 30 psi on cold start and I check my air-pressure regularly and I am very satisfied with my fuel economy 15 - 19 mpg, sometimes even more and I use my AC all the time.
Since, the Dueller rubber compound is softer, they give more comfortable and quieter ride on road than all terrain tires.
For the people who think it doesn't have good traction off-road or on snow, duellers work just fine off-road as well, provided one does not abuse them. They have deeper grooves than Michelins so they have better traction.
I go off-road frquently and
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whenever I lost traction on the trail it was not the tires, it was because of open differentials that all our Pathfinders have.
I've driven it on all sort of terrains: snow, mud, deep sand, water streams, rocks and Duellers have worked great!
#7469 of 8191 Re: 2004 Pathfinder SE 4x4 Price [p_oh #7467]
Jun 17, 2004 (5:31 am)
dont outsmart yourself, my friend. grab it and enjoy.
the biggest mistake people make in buying cars is thinking exactly what you are thinking. if the price is affordable, and its the vehicle you want, theres no other logical consideration.
people that think they left money on the table tend to paralyze themselves from pulling the trigger, wait too long, and miss out on the deal. the pathies are in limited supply, with the '05 coming, so dont miss this one.
#7470 of 8191 Re: 2004 Pathfinder SE 4x4 Price [p_oh #7467]
Jun 17, 2004 (4:28 pm)
Buy it. . .now.
I'm ashamed to tell you what I paid for an '04 SE 4x4 back in December, relative to the deal you appear to have worked out.
I was a couple percent over invoice, including a $1000 rebate and figuring in the holdback, but I was nowhere near the price you're talking about.
We've taken it on several pretty gnarly trails and are absolutely satisfied with the vehicle. I've driven two other Nissan products well into six digits (mileage), so am looking forward to years and years of service from this one.
#7471 of 8191 Thanks for the Input
Jun 17, 2004 (5:10 pm)
Your right...being too analytical. I really like the vehicle and the price is right..great forum btw - looking forward to contributing.
#7472 of 8191 Re: 2004 Pathfinder SE 4x4 Price [p_oh #7467]
Jun 17, 2004 (5:48 pm)
While all markets are different, California Dealers seem to put a premium on AWD or 4 wheel drive vehicles. Audi Quattros , for example, are almost impossible to find. My guess is that you can do better. Remember that in addition to the $3,250 discount direct from Nissan, he receives 2% of the MSRP from Nissan as holdback, and an additional 1% for floor planning allowance totaling 3% of MSRP that he doesn't tell you about. For your vehicle that amounts to $918.60 in the dealer's pocket worst case if he sells at invoice for a model soon to be discontinued.
You might want to try an out of California dealer if you can. $6k off invoice is market in southeast Texas although most stock is 4x2 (pretty flat there). Coloradao dealers, by way of comparison keep 4x4's as majority or total stock.
Keep in mind that with the new (ugh!!) Armada Jr. redesign for '05, the '04's now are lame ducks for dealers (even though in my opinion they look much better). If you can't get about $6k off now, try waiting until Sept. or Oct. when dealers become even more desparate to dump '04's as the '05's arrive. Another option is the "Fax Attack" strategy. Get the fax numbers for all the Nissan dealers that you would be willing to travel to and fax to the Sales or Fleet Manager a "Request For Quote" on the model you want. Be specific with your options. You will likely receive a faxed response from the majorty of them with a price, and then you can start negotiating with them over the phone without having to step foot in the dealership until you have negotiated the deal you want. Pit one dealer against the other until you reach bottom. You will find it fairly quickly in my opinion. Good luck regardless of what you choose to do and let us know how it works out for you.
#7473 of 8191 2004 Pathfinder
Jun 20, 2004 (5:01 am)
Just purchased my SE three days ago....couldn't be happier....got a deal I was comfortable with $200 over invoice less the rebate - in Cleveland Ohio.
Spent several months comparing the 4Runner and the Pathfinder - the 4Runner just wasn't as comfortable and the local Toyota dealers weren't cooperative with my 2000 Maxima trade...almost like it was beneath them to deal on a Nissan.
The Pathfinder is much more comfortable with a more attractive dash and it handles great. Smoother transmission than any other SUV that I test drove.
I almost wonder why I spent so much time deciding....but it was worth the wait (especially with the rebate!!!!)