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#6005 of 8191 Responses on Pricing and Mileage
Nov 15, 2002 (11:02 am)
To Pricing Post: For comparison, last month we bought a SuperBlack 2003 Pathfinder 4WD LE with the Side Moldings, the Floor Mats, and In-Cabin Microfilter, and the new Vehicle Dynamic Control system. This was at VOB Nissan in Maryland in CAT region. We paid 31,107 total plus T/T/T. Don't remember the breakdown; only the total - but something like: base plus option invoice price (which of course includes destination/freight) + $400 marketing - $1000 rebate - $400 dealer drop (worked with Internet dept.) for a grand total = $31,107. Seemed very fair and perhaps a better deal than VA. This 2003 LE should be comparable to your super loaded 2003 SE, so hope the numbers help. Edmunds TMV seems to be like Kelley Blue Book . . . both too high! Also: got 3.9% over 5 years; financing deals should be even better this month.
On Mileage Post: 1,150 miles on new US '03 LE; using 93 octane; in 2WD mode majority of time (except brief periods of rain when in Auto); averaging 13.98 MPG in downtown DC city driving. I fill at same station pump and don't fill beyong automatic shut-off pump feature - that way, I get consistent measurements. At this rate, I get about 250 miles of range from Full to the top of the empty line. When you fill up on top of the empty line, there are still a few gallons in the tank (do the math) - thus true range should be close to 300 miles if you want to push it (I wouldn't it). Given the gas reserve, I wait until it hits exactly the top of the E line to get the most consistent average MPG measurements across the tank of gas. FYI. On a highway trip driving at a varying rate between 45-65 MPH (break-in period), I averaged just above 18 MPG. Both of my numbers seem to hit the 15/19 CITY/HWY rating for the vehicle. If I did not have my loved Thule racks on top (which create much wind friction), I am confident I would be hitting 15/19 exactly. Hope this helps.
Nov 15, 2002 (12:08 pm)
Nice to see that our numbers match pretty closely. I admit that it is not very far off the 15/19 rating. So I might as well get used to that MPG I guess...
I think the 2003 4Runner V6 will have similar ratings thus similar consumption.
#6007 of 8191 '02 PATHFINDER LE LOW BRAKE PEDAL
Nov 15, 2002 (7:18 pm)
I bought my '02 PF LE in CT end of July and drove it home to Pensacola without incident- comfortable drive with full load. On several occasions when coming to full stop, usually from a slow speed such as in my garage, the edge of my foot overlapped the gas pedal slightly causing the engine to accelerate with some forward lurch of the vehicle. Examination reveals that with engine running and as little pressure as two fingers depressing the brake pedal, the pedal travels an inch below the gas pedal. Moderate foot pressure, with the power assist, will bottom the pedal on the floor stop. The dealer here adjusted the rear brakes at 2300 miles, which changed nothing. The svc. mgr. demonstrated that another new PF does the same, stating that the condition is normal. I sent photos illustrating the condition to Nissan, who finally stated that, "the vehicle's brake and gas pedal positions are within manufacture specifications."
Review of the NHTSA website records for 2000-2002 PF's reveals several incidents of unintended acceration when the brakes were applied, some resulting in accidents. Only a couple identified the cause as unintentional pressure on the gas pedal. No NTSB/NHTSA investigation is indicated. Assuming that only a small portion of the public even knows of the NHTSA, or would report to same; there must be numerous incidents unreported.
The space between the pedals is 2 1/2", which is appropriate, but it still unacceptably dangerous to have the brake travel below gas pedal level. My experience occurred with tennis and boat shoes. Pity the guy or gal with winter muclucs!
I intend to pursue this with the NHTSA, and would appreciate hearing from other owners. Note, that with the engine off, no power brakeing, pedal travel is lessened.
#6008 of 8191 Response to mjohnr99
Nov 15, 2002 (9:34 pm)
Thanks for the reply. I've been anxiously waiting for some input.
Do you happen to know the MSRP on the 2003 LE? I'm just trying to figure about how much they came down. It's difficult to negotiate, not having dealer invoice.
Also, I noticed you are also a 4Runner fan. I'm actually still torn between the 4Runner and the Pathy. I can't understand the comments I've read that the 4Runner is so much more expensive than the Pathfinder. The 2003 SR5 with similar options as the Pathy is only about $1000.00 more MSRP. Any comments? (or for anyone else reading).
Nov 16, 2002 (6:18 am)
As for pricing you can check the carsdirect.com that provides invoice price, MSRP and the their discounted price.
Among Japanese big three, Honda, Nissan and Toyota, Nissan is of lower reputation and less popular. Some of my friends never consider any Nissan in their shopping list when buying cars. I suggested Nissan and they said well I don't know that Make/Model... too sad for Nissan. That could be one reason the other two makes are high priced because of high demand.
#6012 of 8191 Revisit gas mileage/Brake pedal
Nov 16, 2002 (10:52 pm)
In 1995 here in California we were using gas that was formulated to get the best gas mileage while maintaining engine HP to it's Peak. In 1995 and earlier I could get at least 5 to 7 MPG better then today. Why? because after 1995 California switched to re formulated gas with MTBE, not to get better gas mileage or better HP, but to lower emissions. The trade off was gas that produce less HP and decreased MPG.
So what to do? 1. use full synthetic oil. 2. replace the OEM air filter with a K/N air filter. 3. make sure that you maintain proper tire air pressure, not whats posted on the door but tire manufacture posted cold pressure. 4. learn to drive like you have an egg between your foot and the gas pedal. Or say the hell with it, and drive the way you want and pay the price at the pump.
I use 5w/30w full synthetic, a K/N air filter and keep the front tires 32PSI, the rear at 30PSI.
On the highway I try to maintain a constant speed and try not to use your brakes by timing the lights.
It's takes time to learn to drive for improved gas mileage, but it can be done. But a lot people say the heck with it and pay the price.
Anyone else have some good ideals about improving gas mileage?
Nov 17, 2002 (5:50 am)
Yeah,buy a 4 cyl hybrid!:>)Seriously though, fuel economy has to be the last thing an anyone's list who'd buy a Pathfinder or any other similar SUV.Why jump through a bunch of hoops to get 15 MPG instead of 13.8?
#6014 of 8191 gas mileage
Nov 17, 2002 (8:00 am)
I think the only thing that can be done to improve fuel mileage is to install a set of warn hubs. That way you can unlock the hubs, ours are locked all the time. Why they didn't make these trucks with auto locking hubs I don't know. If you have owned any other 4x4 you can see how much more gas is used if you don't unlock the hubs when your not in four wheel drive. " full time" four wheel drive is what our pathy's are.