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#5554 of 8189 You have to understand ?? by tloke1

Aug 21, 2002 (3:12 pm)

BigOrange, you need to compare fairly here. You picked the 2001 Nissan (with a much lower amount of TSBs than 2000), yet compared it to the 2000 GC. And no, the 2000 GC is NOT "the latest model available" - there are indeed listings for 2001 and 2002.
 
You need to go back and select the 2000 Nissan and break out the 85 TSB's listed, instead of the 36 listed for 2001.
 
I have never claimed that the Pathfinder is "unreliable" as you state, I am ONLY claiming that the Jeep reliability has IMPROVED the past couple of years to bring it above most other SUV manufacturers, AND that Nissan, like ALL other brands, has their share of problems too. Plus, the Nissans have a lot of irritating problems that the Jeeps do not have like fit and finish, rattles, wind noise and the like.
 
BigOrange is claiming that Nissan's will NEVER see the repair shop, and that ALL Jeeps will. I am simply stating the truth, that Nissans have their share of problems and some WILL be in the shops. I have owned a Jeep for over two years now without a single problem whatsoever. Fit and finish are perfect, no rattles, squeaks, leaks, nothing whatsoever.
 
BigOrange is unfairly informing potential buyers that if they buy a new Jeep they will all have problems. I am just trying to defend that inaccurate claim as it is just not true. 2001 and 2002 Jeeps have been remarkably reliable. Let's quite using 1999 data, we ALL know that Jeep had major problems that year.
 
And as I stated, go look at all of the TSB's for Nissan PF's for 1998, 1999, 2000 and you will see TONS of problems!!! YES, PF's are reliable for the most part, but they DO have their share of problems and they are NOT PERFECT as BigOrange would like everyone to believe.

#5555 of 8189 The 2001 PF got a new engine by bigorange30

Aug 21, 2002 (3:21 pm)

Therefore you can't use the 2000's as representative of what the vehicle has today.
 
OK, I do now see the 2001 and 2002 JGCs. Again I see that if you compare the 2002 JGC to the 2002 PF/QX4, I see that the JGC has 8 Safety/Engine/Mechanical TSBs and the PF has ZERO. 8 is huge for a 2002 model.
 
I NEVER said the PF was perfect. I believe I quoted that the 2001 has 5 problem TSBs. It is just in a different league than the bush league that the JGC plays in.

#5556 of 8189 BigOrange 30 driving a Grand Cherokee? by tloke1

Aug 21, 2002 (5:48 pm)

BigOrange30, I predict in a couple of years you will get tired of your QX4 and trade it in on one of the new 2004 or 2005 Grand Cherokees. Don't get me wrong, I think the QX4 is a decent vehicle, I just think the GC offers a lot more in terms of style & looks, comfort, speed, drivability, innovative options and so on. Ya gotta give Jeep credit though for the recent dramatic improvements. Now that they have fixed most of the reliability problems, I predict the GC will be among the top rated SUV vehicles within the next couple of years. As for some other U.S. brands, I think Ford and GM are heading downhill very fast. Especially Ford, it's one problem after another after another...
 
The bottom line here is that you are happy with your problem-free QX4, and I am happy with my problem-free GC. What more could we ask for?

#5557 of 8189 Don't bet the Farm by bigorange30

Aug 21, 2002 (6:14 pm)

that I will get a JGC. The 8 TSBs for the 2002 will be 24 in 2 years. Its a simple concept, as parts get older, they break more. I see no improvements in the JGC quality. Good grief, a person that buys a brand new JGC today has to turn around and take it back with 0 miles on it and get 8 things fixed if they don't want to get stranded on the road somewhere. Why is that acceptable?
 
BTW: Why are you attacking me when xplorx4 and jeckles are agreeing with what I said? Its beginning to look personal.

#5559 of 8189 OK, here's the 8 by bigorange30

Aug 21, 2002 (7:59 pm)

994 Recall - Instrument Cluster Reprogramming - I don't know what that is but they call it a SAFETY RECALL, that's enough for me.
 
14-001-02 Fuel Cap - Difficult to Remove - You're out somewhere with the gas tank on empty and you can't get the cap off. You're stranded and your wife has to come and get you.
 
23-015-02 Outside Rearview Mirror - Glass Replacement - It may not strand you but I sure wouldn't drive it very far without a rearview mirror. Some people do but I would not.
 
19-008-01 Steering Wheel - Popping/Ticking sound - You're certainly stranded if you suddenly can't control the steering, it might even cause a wreck.
 
14-006-01 Fuel Tank - Premature Fueling Nozzle Shut Off - You can't drive without fuel
 
08-017-01 Safety Systems - Vehicle modifications/repair - Who know what that is but it sounds serious enough.
 
25-001-02 EVAP System - MIL ON/DTC P0442/P0455/P0456 Set - I am not sure what that is. Can you explain that one?
 
21-006-01 A/T - Fluid Usage - If the fluid level is not checked frequently and is allowed to run dry, you will get stranded.
 
And the QX4 TSB you refer to 02-011 is a diagnostic tool for the service shop. Now you're not being fair including that one. That leaves the QX4 with ZERO.
 
Do you even read the sources you quote?

#5560 of 8189 Hehehe. Interesting turn this thread has taken. by xplorx4

Aug 21, 2002 (9:20 pm)

Hi guys, I thought this discussion was originally about extended warranties... specifically the Nissan extended warranty. Clearly the discussion has followed a rabbit trail long enough, don't you think?
 
<Deeeeeeep breaths...breathe in, breathe out....> Ahhh! Doesn't that feel better?
 
bigO- you have a PF. You like it. Cool! We're happy for you.
tloke- you have a JGC. You like it. Cool! We're happy for you, too!
Good thing there are lots of different vehicles to choose from. It sure would suck if it were like the old days- "You can have any color of Model-T that you want, as long as it's black"
 

 
Now that we've covered TSB's, JGC's, and PF's, what's next on the agenda?

#5561 of 8189 OK, here's the 8, uh, 7, er 6, uh 5?, 4? 3? 2? by tloke1

Aug 21, 2002 (9:29 pm)

BigOrange30, I hope you never work on your own vehicle (or anyone else's) as you seem to not be able to even comprehend simple TSB's...
 
994 Recall - Instrument Cluster Reprogramming - I don't know what that is but they call it a SAFETY RECALL, that's enough for me.
 
A SIMPLE PROGRAMMING ADJUSTMENT, NOTHING THAT WOULD STRAND YOU.
 
14-001-02 Fuel Cap - Difficult to Remove - You're out somewhere with the gas tank on empty and you can't get the cap off. You're stranded and your wife has to come and get you.
 
READ IT AGAIN, DOES IT SAY "CANNOT REMOVE" OR "DIFFICULT TO REMOVE"? NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE HAVING THIS PROBLEM.
 
23-015-02 Outside Rearview Mirror - Glass Replacement - It may not strand you but I sure wouldn't drive it very far without a rearview mirror. Some people do but I would not.
 
OH, C'MON, ARE YOU THAT INEPT TO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS? THIS BULLETIN EXPLAINS HOW TO REPLACE THE GLASS IF IT IS EVER BROKEN!! IT USED TO BE ONE WOULD HAVE TO PURCHASE THE ENTIRE MIRROR ASSEMBLY IF THE GLASS WAS BROKEN, NOW IT IS REDESIGNED SO THAT ONE CAN SIMPLY REPLACE THE GLASS. BET NISSAN DOESN'T OFFER THIS. EVER PRICED ONE OF THEIR MIRRORS?
 
19-008-01 Steering Wheel - Popping/Ticking sound - You're certainly stranded if you suddenly can't control the steering, it might even cause a wreck.
 
A MINOR "CLICK" WHEN TURNING IS ALL, A PIECE OF THE TRIM COVER IN THE WAY, A SIMPLE FIX. CERTAINLY NOTHING THAT WOULD CAUSE ONE NOT TO BE ABLE TO STEER IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, HARDLY EVEN NOTICEABLE FOR THE FEW OWNERS WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED THIS. OBVIOUSLY IF THAT WAS THE CASE THE VEHICLES IN QUESTION WOULD BE PULLED OFF THE ROAD IMMEDIATELY.
 
14-006-01 Fuel Tank - Premature Fueling Nozzle Shut Off - You can't drive without fuel
 
AGAIN, READ IT FOR WHAT IT IS. IN SOME CASES THE FUEL NOZEL MIGHT CLICK OFF, LIKE ON MANY CARS OR AT STATIONS WITH FUSSY PUMPS. YOU SIMPLY LET GO OF THE TRIGGER AND SQUEEZE IT AGAIN. AND THIS USUALLY HAPPENS WHEN THE TANK IS NEAR FULL. AGAIN, NO STRANDING HERE.
 
08-017-01 Safety Systems - Vehicle modifications/repair - Who know what that is but it sounds serious enough.
 
IF YOU SAY SO, THEN IT MUST BE. THERE YOU GO MAKING ASSUMPTIONS AGAIN! THIS ISN'T A "RECALL" BY THE WAY. NOTHING THAT WOULD STRAND YOU.
 
25-001-02 EVAP System - MIL ON/DTC P0442/P0455/P0456 Set - I am not sure what that is. Can you explain that one?
 
THIS DENOTES A SMALL LEAK IN THE EVAPORATIVE EMISSION CONTROL SYSTEM, VAPORS IS ALL, NO BIG DEAL, AND ONCE AGAIN NOTHING TO STRAND YOU. AND IN SOME CASES THE WARNING IS IN ERROR AND NO PROBLEM IS FOUND. SIMPLE REPROM FIX. NOT VERY COMMON AT ALL.
 
21-006-01 A/T - Fluid Usage - If the fluid level is not checked frequently and is allowed to run dry, you will get stranded.
 
I HAD TO LAUGH WHEN I SAW THAT YOU LISTED THIS AS A "STRANDED" ISSUE!!!AS I ALREADY EXPLAINED, THIS
COVERS THE NEW AND IMPOVED FLUID - CHRYSLER IS ALWAYS LOOKING FOR THE LATEST IN TECHNOLOGY TO IMPROVE THEIR ALREADY GREAT VEHICLES. THE NEW AND IMPROVED FLUID OFFERS THESE IMPROVEMENTS (WHILE NISSAN IS NO DOUBT USING ANTIQUATED FORMULAS).
 
Better anti-wear properties
Improved rust/corrosion prevention
Controls oxidation
Eliminates deposits
Controls friction
Retains anti-foaming properties
Superior properties for low temperature operation
 
NOW, BIG0RANGE, PLEASE TELL ME HOW I WILL BE GETTING STRANDED IN MY JEEP PER THE ABOVE TSB? ROTFLMAO!!!!
 
JEEP: "0"
NISSAN: "1"

#5562 of 8189 Hehehe. Interesting turn this thread has taken by tloke1

Aug 21, 2002 (9:32 pm)

"tloke- you have a JGC. You like it. Cool! We're happy for you, too!"
 
Whew!! And thanks, I wasn't sure if everyone felt the same way. And my offer still stands to buy BigOrange30 a beer, as soon as he turns 21 that is, we gotta do that!

#5563 of 8189 Reliability Issue CLosed?? by jeckles

Aug 22, 2002 (6:34 am)

Well this has gotten pretty far away from the extended warranty stuff...
 
As far as reliability goes, I consider the 2001 and beyond to be somewhat of a wild card.
 
The SUV market is in a lot of flux right now and many models have changed dramatically.
 
I like the JGC a lot and sincerely hope that Mercedes can help Chrysler with their reliability issues. I owned a MB that required lots of work, but it sure was reliable!!
 
I also like the Trailblazer and hope that as the model matures they improve their fit and finish. Plus I want to see how the long-term issues with the driveshaft through the oil pan pan-out (pardon the pun).
 
I owned an exploder once too, and am intrigued by their new design. But again I want to give the new model a few years before I pass judgment.
 
What sold me on the PF was the past performance record AND the new 240hp engine. Of course now everyone is coming out with fancy 6-bangers that have hp/torque comparable to v-8s...
 
So again I lament... what to buy next time and how long will I keep my PF. I'm already getting the itch to trade my 2001 PF, which is just silliness!
 
Financially I should keep it for a very long time. But car buying and ownership are very emotional. Hence the bottom line:
If you like your vehicle COOL! We're happy for you!

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